[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] [renamed] Key early questions

Carlton Samuels carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Tue May 10 00:49:48 UTC 2016

Exactly!   And we have a listing of the elements right there in the RAA.

This distinction has been made again and again in every fora I have
attended on registration data. And all arguments/traige/decisions
pertaining purposefulness, access and privacy pertain ONLY to those


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On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>

> One small (but I think important) issue that has been bothering me since
> we started this WG.
> When we talk about what data is being collected by registrars or
> registries, I think we need to be very careful in our wording. What we are
> interested in is what data is being collected (or should be collected in
> the future) MANDATED by ICANN agreements. What they collect on their own
> volition is not on our agenda (whether it is credit card information, your
> birth date so they can send you a gratuitous Happy Birthday wish, or your
> national identity number).
> Alan
> At 09/05/2016 12:12 AM, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
>> Hi Chuck, Michele, Susan, David, and Lisa,
>> I think Holly has hit the nail on the head. At the outset, and before
>> moving forward to any additional questions, we should evaluate:
>> 1) what data is collected?
>> 2) why is this data collected?
>> 3) is this data the subject of data protection laws?
>> This is exactly the foundation and background that the subgroups have
>> prepared for us - the Data Elements, Privacy law and Purpose subgroups. We
>> now have the materials to enter into this analysis as a full WG in a
>> constructive, informed and systematic way.
>> Marika recently shared these questions in the link she sent around
>> summarizing our previous comments/ suggestions. Members from a range of SOs
>> and ACs raised the need for the WG to reorder the questions to allow
>> consideration of data elements, privacy frameworks and "purpose" upfront
>> and early on. As you may remember, Scott Hollenbeck kicked off the
>> discussion and many others joined in.
>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/58730879/RDS-PDP-Phase1-ProposedWorkPlanChanges-16March2016.pdf.
>> When we checked with members of Charter Team in Marrakech, they blessed the
>> idea that we as a WG should choose our own order for the questions - as
>> long as we cover them all, they would be happy.
>> Accordingly, why would we launch into secondary purposes first?
>> Rephrased, why would we consider all of the "possible requirements" of a
>> directory service when we as a WG have not yet undertaken the basic
>> analysis of what data is collected, for what primary purpose, and under
>> what privacy laws and frameworks we should be analyzing the data?  This
>> seems totally like putting the cart before the horse.
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>> On 5/7/2016 4:22 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
>>> Thanks Lisa
>>> What the data group has  been exploring is just what data is actually
>>> collected by registries/registrars.
>>> I realise that the original Charter questions were framed around gTLD
>>> registration data - the 'Whois' data that must be made public under the
>>> 2013 RAA.  But what the data group has identified is that there is more
>>> data in question than just the 'Whois' data. Yet these questions are framed
>>> around the gTLD data.
>>> Somewhere, there should be a question - or something - that suggests
>>> that the Charter questions should go further to at least consider what data
>>> is collected and why, and whether it should be the subject of data
>>> protections.
>>> Thanks
>>> Holly
>>> On 8 May 2016, at 2:57 am, Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>> A reminder that PDP WG feedback if any on the attached early outreach
>>>> message is due no later than tomorrow - Sunday 8 May 23.59 UTC.
>>>> Best, Lisa
>>>> At 12:07 PM 5/3/2016, Lisa Phifer wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> As agreed during today's WG call, attached please find a slightly
>>>>> revised draft input template to solicit early input from ICANN SOs/ACs and
>>>>> GNSO SG/Cs. This is the template discussed in today's WG call.
>>>>> Remember, there will be many opportunities for community input
>>>>> throughout this PDP. The attached input template is to be used to initiate
>>>>> the early outreach required of every PDP to inform the WG at the start of
>>>>> its work. The template is a tool used successfully by other PDP WG's to
>>>>> solicit structured input, along with any additional input each group wishes
>>>>> to provide.
>>>>> WG member feedback on this draft input template is welcome: please
>>>>> send any feedback to the entire WG list <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> no later than Sunday 8 May 23.59 UTC.
>>>>> Our goal is to send the final version of this template to initiate
>>>>> early outreach next week.
>>>>> Best, Lisa
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