[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] [renamed] Key early questions

James Gannon james at cyberinvasion.net
Wed May 11 19:58:30 UTC 2016

I think that there is an important distinction between the registrant who may or may not be operating the underlying infrastructure and the actual provider and operator of the infrastructure. These in historical discussions of the original intent of WHOIS were in most cases the same entity. However that situation is now reversed and many registrants have no idea or concept of the infrastructure that is underlying their domain, and nor should they have to in a modern internet where most domains are not owned/registered by infrastructure operators.


On 11/05/2016, 20:53, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Andrew Sullivan" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of ajs at anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:

>On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 03:46:59PM -0400, James Galvin wrote:
>> However, it does mean that we have to define “infrastructure”.  I’m hopeful
>> there’s a baseline for which we could get broad agreement.
>If other people on the Internet can initiate connections toward you in
>the normal operation of the service using the facility, you are
>operating Internet infrastructure.
>> Unfortunately, in my experience, we do not have broad agreement on whether
>> having a domain name means you are part of the Internet infrastructure.
>You are because people will perform DNS lookups for that domain, and
>thereby be covered under the above ostensive definition.  I'd be
>interested in seeing some sort of argument as to how domain names are
>not part of the Internet infrastructure.
>Best regards,
>Andrew Sullivan
>ajs at anvilwalrusden.com
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