[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] RDAP for Registration Data Service Upgrade?

Carlton Samuels carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Wed May 25 16:49:49 UTC 2016

Yessir. Should have read the entire thread before responding above.


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On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Greg Aaron <gca at icginc.com> wrote:

> Dear Nathalie:
> One of the capabilities of RDAP is that it can handle internationalization
> needs.  (IDN domain names, and having international character sets appear
> in registration data fields.)  WHOIS can't do that.
> According to our RDS WG charter, we must take internationalization
> requirements into consideration, specifically "Translation and
> Transliteration recommendations" from GNSO PDPs, if/when adopted by the
> GNSO Council and ICANN Board.
> All best,
> --Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] RDAP for Registration Data Service Upgrade?
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 02:15:38PM +0000, nathalie coupet via
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
> > Could we have a brief explanation of why RDAP is the better protocol of
> them all?
> Sure.  See below.
> > If we decide that an RDDS is needed, we’re going to have to find a way
> to provide that service using one of the options (WHOIS, WHOIS++, RWHOIS,
> IRIS, or RDAP) that are already available. RDAP is our best option.
> Whois barely qualifies as a protocol.  It listens on port 43 for input,
> and returns something.  It is not clear whether it can do
> internationalization at all, and it was certainly created in a period when
> ASCII was the norm on the network.  The output is intended to be consumed
> by humans.  There is no authentication in the system, so only anonymous
> query sources are possible.
> Whois++ and rwhois were two different attempts to fix up whois to
> support the multi-registrar system.  I could go into detail on this, but
> you said "short" and it would take a long mail.  A sort of blend of these
> two is what we use today.  The output is still intended to be consumed by
> humans and there's still no authentication.  Rwhois is how we ended up with
> breakage about where to start looking for the right server -- the
> information had to be coded into the clients, and clients hang around for
> years, so it became very easy to ask the wrong server for information.
> IRIS is a protocol from the early 2000s that the IETF developed in
> response to a request by ICANN; it was basically intended to be the
> "directory service" side of the then-new Extensible Provisioning Protocol
> for registrations.  It is a failure: I know of exactly one registry that
> ever implemented any part of it, and no registry that did the whole thing.
> It's complicated to implement because a programmer of it needs to implement
> the low-level transport parts; this is probably why it failed to get much
> traction.
> RDAP is the most recent re-do of this effort.  It is JSON based so it is
> parsable by computers as well as displayable to humans.  You get
> authentication for free, because it's a RESTful system so it uses HTTP(S)
> as its underlying protocol.  The RIRs are already deploying it.
> The only one of these that is even a candidate is RDAP.  The whois
> variants can't authenticate the source of the query, which means they have
> no way to provide different responses to different people (and therefore
> they can't provide richer data to those who actually need it, and a default
> minimal data set for anonymous queries).  IRIS is a failed protocol.  The
> idea that we need to analyse this or consider it or anything of the kind is
> mind-boggling.
> A
> --
> Andrew Sullivan
> ajs at anvilwalrusden.com
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