[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting

Thu Sep 22 18:39:06 UTC 2016

Thanks Greg.  What about the URS?

Chuck

From: Greg Aaron [mailto:gca at icginc.com]
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Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting

Dear Chuck:

I submitted a summary of UDRP's relation to RDS to the list back in April; Lisa's spreadsheet captures an entry about it at UP-D16-R01.

All best,
--Greg

From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com]
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Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting

Should an additional possible requirement (or requirements) be added to cover the UDRP and URS need or is that already covered?

Chuck

From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aaron
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting

A parallel case: The UDRP and URS policies rely on contact data that is published publicly in gTLD registration directory services.  The reason is so identify that potential complainants can see it and make decisions about whether to mount a challenge, and so that UDRP and URS dispute resolution service providers can use the data to send the required communications.

Could UDRP be altered to work without published contact data?  Maybe it's not impossible.  But we can probably agree that the requirement currently exists - the current policy task assumes and necessitates data availability.

Besides, the exercise here is for the WG to compile a list of "possible requirements."  The group agreed to be liberal in the listings and debate their merits later.

All best,
--Greg

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting

Hi Greg,

you said it would be difficult but not it would be impossible, right? So I would assume the contractual requirement would still be accomplishable even without special access. A lot of the required data would also be in the registry databases as well, such as nameserver data, registration dates, etc, so no access to the RDS would be required for that purpose.

Best,

Volker

Am 22.09.2016 um 00:04 schrieb Greg Aaron:
Derived requirement: the data must be available for this stated purpose.  If something is required (as in this case by a contract), then one must have the means to accomplish it.

From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com]
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting

I don't question that at all Greg but what is the possible requirement?

Chuck

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On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Greg Aaron <gca at icginc.com<mailto:gca at icginc.com>> wrote:
Dear Chuck:

It is very difficult to perform DA-D43-R03 (assess whether domains in the TLD are being used to perpetrate security threats) without looking at registration data.  Review of registration dates, nameservers, contact data, etc. are often required to perform thatdiligence.

BTW, this GAC safeguard was then incorporated into the nTLD contracts, Specification 11 paragraph 3b, which says that registry operators are also required to record actions taken as a result of these periodic security checks.

So I suggest we leave it in.

All best,
--Greg

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Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Notes from today's RDS PDP WG meeting

In my review of the eight (8) possible requirements in the attached file, I think it is obvious that none of them are relevant to the RDS and hence should be deleted from the v.4 of the triaged list of possible requirements.  If anyone, disagrees with my assessment, please identify any of the possible requirements that you think are relevant to the RDS and explain why so that the WG can discuss.  If not, I suggest that in our next meeting that quickly finalize a decision to delete them all.

Chuck

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Dear all,

With regard to action item #3 below, attached please find a small excerpt from draft 4 of the triaged possible requirements list, containing only those PRs marked "??" for review and possible deletion. During triage, we could not find a direct link between these PRs and registration directory services and so were unable to assign them codes and keywords.  WG members are therefore asked to consider if and how these flagged PRs are relevant to the RDS.

Best regards,
Lisa

At 12:33 AM 9/21/2016, Marika Konings wrote:
3. Review Draft 4 of triaged possible requirements list
·  Discuss possible deletion of flagged PRs (those marked "??")
·  Discuss WG feedback on phase, code, and keyword mappings
·  Identify essential missing inputs (if any) and plan to include them

Action item #2: WG members to review latest version of triaged possible requirements, including specific questions identified, in order to commence deliberations.

Action item #3: Staff to circulate possible deletion of flagged PRs to mailing list to encourage input by WG members ahead of next week's meeting

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