[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] New Year Challenge

Wed Jan 4 10:49:21 UTC 2017

This is not always the case. Many resellers are more like agents of the 
registrant than agents of the registrar.

Best,

Volker

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:51 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
> How resellers work is relatively straight forward. They are agents 
> working on behalf of a registrar. The handle the transaction and often 
> ongoing contact with the registrant. Some registrars have no 
> resellers, others some resellers, and some registrars only work 
> through resellers and have no direct registratns. Of course, you may 
> find that a reseller is really a subsidiary of the registrar (or in 
> some other business relationship with them other than purely a reseller).
>
> Until relatively recently, ICANN took the position that since they had 
> no contract with resellers, they had no control over what resellers 
> did. In more recent RAAs, there are explicit clauses which require 
> that if a registrar delegates anything to resellers, that they must 
> ensure that the reseller fulfill any obligations that the registrar 
> would have if they were dealing with the registrant directly. Past 
> RAAs only covereed some of these requirements but my recollection is 
> that the current RAA pretty much puts a registrant in the same 
> situation regardless of whether they are dealing with the registrar 
> directly or a reseller (I may be wrong about that, but that is my 
> recollection).
>
> Of course, it is up to the registrar to ensure that these obligations 
> are followed, or ICANN compliance to identify places where they may 
> not be doing so.
>
> Is that any clearer?
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> At 03/01/2017 02:56 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year all!  You are probably going to hate me because I am 
>> going to slow us down again.  The problem is that we frame the 
>> discussion and thinking so very differently, depending on the 
>> expertise that we bring to this debate, that understanding the 
>> minutiae is very important.  For instance on  a recent call I 
>> questioned whether an individual needed to look at WHOIS to see who 
>> their registrar is, and was promptly corrected in this matter.  Naive 
>> person that I am, I had never plumbed the depths of the reseller 
>> business, and I am not finding much useful information on the ICANN 
>> site that will help me do this (please help and point me to how this 
>> happens, what kind of contracts pass on obligations, how this is 
>> interpreted under DP law, why I cannot find my registrar on any of 
>> the lists of ICANN accredited registrars, consumer protection 
>> obligations under US law, how this works in the privacy proxy 
>> business etc.).  IN my responses to the questionnaire, I have pointed 
>> out that it is the registrars and registries or their agents that 
>> collect/generate the Thin data.  The proposed RDS, which at the 
>> moment is still protean, is not an entity, cannot collect etc, but is 
>> instead a display mechanism or automated disclosure instrument.  So 
>> framing this in terms of collection is in my view quite misleading, 
>> unless I am totally misunderstanding the poll (always possible).
>>
>> Anyway if anyone can help me understand how resellers work I would be 
>> most grateful.  It would probably also save us a pile of time if I 
>> understood it better, if that can possibly incentivize some brave 
>> soul.....
>>
>> cheers Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-01-03 10:31, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>> A few weeks ago one of our WG members said something to me that I 
>>> think might be a good challenge for many of us as we begin 2017:  “I 
>>> think people (including me) need to snap back to attention. I think 
>>> we lost focus because of the incredible amount of lost traffic on 
>>> minutiae that was so hard for non-ICANN insiders to follow.”
>>>
>>> If this applies to you, I hope you will respond.
>>>
>>> I can tell you that no one gets more frustrated with minutiae than 
>>> me.  I have just been at this for so long that I have learned 
>>> minutiae for one person is important to someone else so I have 
>>> realized that I have to have a lot of patience.  Still, I often find 
>>> myself wanting to push faster ahead and the leadership team has to 
>>> pull me back.
>>>
>>> It has taken us about 11 months to get to where we are and it may 
>>> seem like we have made very little progress but I am hopeful that we 
>>> have laid some building blocks that will make our work ahead 
>>> easier.  We need to all keep in mind that the ICANN community has 
>>> been grappling with Whois (RDS) issues for most of its 18-year 
>>> existence with very minimal progress.  If we are going to change 
>>> that pattern, we will have to be patient and persistent.
>>>
>>> As we ended 2016 we reached the critical deliberation stage of Work 
>>> Plan Phase 1. None of us should think that that will be easy or 
>>> quick; it won’t be.  But I am confident that we will start to see 
>>> more concrete results of our efforts.
>>>
>>> I encourage all of you to start off this year by completing the poll 
>>> that was distributed last week.  You have until Friday of this week 
>>> to complete it.  Here is the link to the poll: 
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/V3CWZBL 
>>> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/V3CWZBL> .
>>>
>>> Happy New Year.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
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