[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose

[Carlton Samuels]

Maybe its philosophical but it is intriguing, trying to separate that
notion of legitimate purpose (for collection) absent evidence of use (which
triggers disclosure). The prevailing narrative  - check the WHOIS Review
and EWG Reports - is that there are some elements of registration data,
largely resident in the set we call 'thin data', that serves fundamental
technical [legitimate] purposes and should ever be collected with
unfettered disclosure for said [allowable] use.

We still talking 'thin data' here, right?  Are we using this to re-argue
that legitimate purpose/allowable use kerfuffle?And is there a common
understanding of the constituent data elements of 'thin data'?  Surely with
the the years of WHOIS Review and recommendations, the 18-moth EWG slog
PLUS knowledge of the alignment of say -for example - of .eu
collection/access/display practice with that opined EU gold standard
privacy framework we would be past this?

-Carlton


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On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org>
wrote:

> Greg,
>
> If we can say that not all legitimate purposes have to be catered for,
> then I agree with you. :)
>
> If we say that tracking down the registrar of a domain as part of
> trademark research is a legitimate purpose, that does not mean that we
> have to design the system for this purpose, right?
>
> To try an analogy: We can recognize that using the plastic top of a
> garbage can as a sled is legitimate, but we don't insist on designing
> lids with sledding in mind.
>
> Full disclosure: My own take on the "legitimate purpose" discussion
> with regards to "thin data" is that we need *some* purpose for both
> gathering and publishing the information, because otherwise privacy
> laws may prohibit companies from gathering or publishing it. Luckily I
> think that there are so many such purposes that the need for the
> information is indisputable.
>
> Jumping ahead... as I said in a prior call (sorry for missing ones since
> then), I would prefer that the information is then allowed for any
> purpose, without restriction, because otherwise you have to have not
> only tiresome rules about what is allowed but also the Internet Police
> to enforce those rules, which seems like a step towards Armageddon.
>
> Given that we're still talking about "thin data", which is basically
> just a pointer to a registrar who has *actual* data, my own
> recommendation is not to stress too much. This stuff is only very, very
> vaguely personally identifiable.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Shane
>
> At 2017-01-21 14:51:29 -0500
> Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have to disagree.  These are legitimate purposes for collection, as
> well
> > as for disclosure.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
> > stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I filled it out, but I am afraid for most of the purposes I could not
> > > agree.  We do not *collect *data for many of those purposes.  We
> disclose
> > > it to people for those purposes, but the purpose of collecting those
> data
> > > elements is not for tax collection, trademark enforcement actions, etc.
> > > This is the conflation issue I have raised repeatedly.
> > >
> > > Apologies if I did not make that point clear enough on the call.
> > >
> > > Stephanie Perrin
> > >
> > > On 2017-01-20 17:35, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> > >
> > > Please note that our current poll ends in about 24 hours.  So far only
> 16
> > > people have responded.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-
> > > bounces at icann.org <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Lisa
> > > Phifer
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:50 PM
> > > *To:* RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> <
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> > > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on
> > > Purpose
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > As directed in the 18 January WG call, this week's new Poll on Purpose
> is
> > > now open for WG member participation:
> > >
> > > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SZX9QJZ
> > >
> > > A PDF of this poll's questions and notes/recordings of the meeting are
> > > posted on the 18 January meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/
> > > EbTDAw
> > >
> > > This poll will close at *COB Saturday 21 January 2017*.
> > >
> > > All WG members are encouraged to participate in this poll to help
> advance
> > > deliberation and prepare for next week's meeting.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > >
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