[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose

[John Bambenek]

Regardless of the privacy implications, if someone who wants to look up a hostname and can't find can't figure out what the authoritative nameservers are for the domain, DNS quite simply will not work and with it the internet is down; go home. 

Unless someone is suggesting we completely re-architect DNS, having nameservers tied to domain records is absolutely essential.

You could deprecate displaying it in whois but any DNS client would easily be able to retrieve the data because the resolver still has to know what to ask for. 

J

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 16:08, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
> 
> Stephanie
>  
> Do you have any links to any legislation / regulations etc., that are this broad?
>  
> And honestly I don’t see how a set of nameserver is “personally identifiable” unless you’re using your own name in the hostname (which you could, but then I’d see that as your choice and not a technical requirement)
>  
> Regards
> 
> Michele
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>  
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> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> Date: Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 19:40
> To: Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>, Scott Hollenbeck <shollenbeck at verisign.com>, Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net>, "dave at davecake.net" <dave at davecake.net>
> Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose
>  
> Unfortunately, in a world where the Internet of things is taking off, privacy advocates and authorities have to insist that data generated by or as a result of the actions of an individual or his devices(eg metadata, timestamping, etc) has to be considered as personal information.  If it is used to describe processes pertaining to that information, if it could be used to incriminate that individual, it is important that it be recognized as information for which individuals have rights.  Otherwise, we have a situation where the individual has no right to access information that may impact him, may incriminate him, but to which he may be utterly oblivious.  Sorry it is such a pain in the neck, but there we are.
> 
> Stephanie
> 
>  
> On 2017-01-25 12:32, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Scott
>  
> Sure, but if we go down that route we could make cases for a lot of things J
> My main problem with this entire debacle is that the data we’re dealing with is pretty much useless and isn’t personally identifiable.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Michele
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> Mr Michele Neylon
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> From: Scott Hollenbeck <shollenbeck at verisign.com>
> Date: Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 17:15
> To: Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net>, "dave at davecake.net" <dave at davecake.net>
> Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose
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> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:09 PM
> To: Stephanie Perrin; Sam Lanfranco; David Cake
> Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose
>  
> Stephanie
>  
> Sorry, but policy + the technology go hand in hand. You cannot completely separate them and any policy that this (or any other) group produces needs to be technically possible to implement.
>  
> As to the specifics ..
>  
> I would argue that generated data is NOT collected, as it’s generated.
>  
> If you register stephanieperrin.com with us the only elements we are “collecting” that end up in in the “thin” data are:
> the domain name string
> the nameservers you’re using (and if you don’t specify any we’ll use our own)
> All the other elements are NOT collected by the registrar or even the registry from the registrant, they are generated as part of the process of the domain being registered.
>  
> [SAH] Michele, some might argue that the registration period is also collected from the registrant and is then used to generate the expiration date at the registry. A case might also be made for status values like clientTransferProhibited etc. I agree completely that generated data is just that – generated.
>  
> Scott
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