[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List discussion topics
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Thu Jul 27 16:58:03 UTC 2017
Sadly it is no longer solved as we simply cannot rely on such assurances
anymore. The data processor has to ensure that the data subject has
consented to the use of his data and that simply is not the case if the
single touch point is the registrant, or even his agent.
It is the data processor and the data controller that will ultimately
face the consequences, not the registrant.
And yes, identity validation is too hard and expensive for this industry
and the prices people have come to expect.
And while you personally may not have heard of Admins suing a
registrant, we have seen many cases where our privacy contacts (legal
entity) or local presence services (legal entity or indivisual,
dependent on registry requirements) are used by registrants without
permission. This usually leads to a domain delection request to the
registrar or registry by the admin. And we receive requests for removal
of contact data from people who did not know their data was used on a
regular basis.
Best,
Volker
Am 27.07.2017 um 18:34 schrieb Greg Aaron:
>
> Seems like Volker raises a problem that is already solved. By RAA
> contract, registrants are required to provide contact info they
> provide for their domains and it’s the registrant’s responsibility to
> decide how to do that and to accept any consequences.
>
> People can use role contacts if they like. People can use
> privacy/proxy contacts if they like. And commercial entities do not
> enjoy the same protections as natural persons.
>
> Asking if registrants really clear all permissions with their own
> contacts is like asking if a registrar truly establishes if the
> registrant is really who he says he is. Of course registrars don’t
> perform identity validation; registrars say that is too hard and
> expensive.
>
> I’ve never heard of a domain’s admin contact suing the domain’s
> registrant for being listed as the admin contact.
>
> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Volker Greimann
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:56 AM
> *To:* Paul Keating <Paul at law.es>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List discussion topics
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> that would be the expectation, but are they really? Are they asked if
> they agreed to be put in the whois? Have they provided explicit
> permission for their data to be collected (and in whois: published)?
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 27.07.2017 um 14:19 schrieb Paul Keating:
>
> Sorry but I disagree.
>
> A tech or admin contact generally fits into one of the following
> categories:
>
> 1.Agent of the registrant (e.g. Hired or retained to serve).
>
> 2.Employee of the registrant
>
> 3.A non-individual.
>
> As to #1 and 2, the service in the capacity is part of the
> responsibilities of the agent/employee. The contact information
> is the contact information used by the agent/employee for
> commercial purposes. In fact it is generally either the business
> email address of the non-individual company or of the registrant.
> This is not in fact personal information any more than my email
> address for my law firm is personal information. If it were
> otherwise the world would grind to a halt because no one could use
> or publish even an email issued by the agent/employee on behalf of
> and in his/her capacity as an agent/employee.
>
> As for #3, non-individual information is not covered by any of the
> relevant data protection laws.
>
> Again, lets focus on the data sets and not incorporate )(at this
> stage) issues of what level of access should be granted to those sets.
>
> Paul
>
> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Volker
> Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 11:51 AM
> *To: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] List discussion topics
>
> I think consent is one of the most basic problems for the
> non-registrant contacts, e.g. tech, admin (and billing in some
> cases). As the registrar is (at best) only interacting
> directly with the registrant, and the other contacts are not
> subject to any agreement and/or policy directly, we had to
> trust that the registrant (or his agent) had obtained the
> appropriate content from the entities listed for those roles.
>
> Clearly, this is no longer sufficient under the new data
> privacy regime where consent bust be explicitly given by the
> data subject.
>
> Abuse would be a new role to consider, however the same
> basically applies.
>
> I think the descriptions from the EWG are good and sufficient.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 26.07.2017 um 22:21 schrieb Chuck Gomes Consulting:
>
> In addition to discussion about the topics in this week’s
> poll, members are encouraged to also discuss the following
> on the WG list between now and our meeting next week:
>
> For admin, technical, abuse, and privacy/proxy roles, all
> WG members encouraged to discuss on-list the following
> questions:
>
> ·Are these roles needed?
>
> ·How do they differ from each other?
>
> ·How might they differ from the registrant?
>
> The following description of these roles, excerpted from
> the EWG report, may be helpful in kicking off discussion:
>
> Emacs!
>
> Note: The above contact types (roles) are being discussed
> first because they received broad support in our 28 June
> call poll. The EWG Report defined two additional contact
> types (roles) which received less support in our 28 June
> call poll; to enable focus on possible common ground,
> additional contact types will be discussed separately.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
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