[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The burden of proof (was Re: Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access)
Paul Keating
paul at law.es
Thu Jun 1 16:53:29 UTC 2017
+1000
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> On 1 Jun 2017, at 07:33, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +++++1. I am gobsmacked wondering why we're back at litigating what is 'thin data'? For the wackiest of hard-line European privacy maven has conceded the sense of it!!
>
> Christ on a bike. Talk about comfort to the afflicted!!
>
> -Carlton
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>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 11:25:55AM +0200, Volker Greimann wrote:
>> > Even if there if no PII in thin data (and I am leaning to that direction
>> > myself), if there really a need for all these fields to be public for the
>> > purpose of the operationality of the internet? I am thinking of the created,
>> > updated and expiration dates in particular since those are the ones leading
>> > to the most abusive use.
>>
>> I think I have argued, previously at some length and more briefly in
>> this thread, how those fields are useful and important for the
>> operational model of the Internet that prevails because of the
>> fundamentally distributed naturue of the Internet. You have offered
>> not one shred of evidence that those fields in particular are "abused"
>> (the abuse, if it happens, comes from email, and we're talking about
>> thin data so no email addresses are involved). And you have not
>> addressed the argument about how the Internet works.
>>
>> I therefore believe that, if you want anyone to take seriously the
>> idea that we need to discuss any of the thin data any more, the burden
>> of proof lies on you. Please either make such an argument, or let us
>> finally move on to discussing data where everyone acknowledges there
>> is a more serious issue.
>>
>> In my opinion, we have spent long enough discussing the "simple" case
>> and artificially making it complicated. It's time to move on to a
>> real problem.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> A
>>
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>> Andrew Sullivan
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