[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPROTANT - Action Items and Notes from Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 17 May 2017

Wed May 17 16:02:33 UTC 2017

Why do we want to prevent harvesting? Asking for a friend.

*Greg Shatan *C: 917-816-6428
S: gsshatan
gregshatanipc at gmail.com

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> wrote:

> I can see dozens of legitimate reasons for restricting access that are not
> related to the efficiencies of the data retrieval system, first of which is
> harvesting prevention.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 17.05.2017 um 17:55 schrieb Paul Keating:
>
> *“There must be no RDS policies that prevent RDS operators from applying
> operational controls such as rate limiting and CAPTCHA, provided that they
> do not unreasonably restrict legitimate access.“*,
>
> Caveat.  The rate controls must be related to controlling the
> efficiiciencies of the underlying data retrieval system and not for
> o there purposes.
>
> PRK
> From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Amr Elsadr <
> amr.elsadr at icann.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 9:48 AM
> To: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPROTANT - Action Items and Notes from
> Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 17 May 2017
>
> Dear Working Group Members,
>
>
>
> Please find below the action items and notes from today’s Working Group
> call.
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> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Amr
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>
> *These high-level notes are designed to help PDP WG members navigate
> through the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute for the
> transcript and/or recording. The MP3, transcript, and chat are provided
> separately and are posted on the wiki here:
> https://community.icann.org/x/HMPRAw <https://community.icann.org/x/HMPRAw>*
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>
>
> *Action Items:*
>
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> 1. Newcomers to RSVP to Newcomer Tutorial invitation if you plan to attend
>
> 2. Staff to launch poll the test revised item 2) in statement of purpose
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56986791/KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-9May2017.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1494372838376&api=v2>
> and revised 2 May agreement:
>
> a. The test revised item 2) in statement of purpose
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56986791/KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-9May2017.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1494372838376&api=v2>:
> "2) A purpose of RDS is to facilitate dissemination of gTLD registration
> data of record, such as domain names and their domain contacts and name
> servers, in accordance with applicable policy.”
>
> b. Revised 2 May agreement: "gTLD registration "thin data" must be
> accessible without requestor identification, authentication, or stated
> purpose"
>
> WG members to participate in poll by COB Saturday 20 May.
>
> 3. Rod Rasmussen and Vaibhav Aggarwal to work together to define what
> "unreasonably restrict legitimate access" means in the context of this
> statement *“There must be no RDS policies that prevent RDS operators from
> applying operational controls such as rate limiting and CAPTCHA, provided
> that they do not unreasonably restrict legitimate access.“*, and propose
> that definition to WG mailing list, preferably before next week's WG call
>
>
>
> *Notes:*
>
>
>
> 1) Roll Call/SOI Updates
>
>    - Attendance will be taken from AC
>    - Please remember to state your name before speaking and remember to
>    mute your microphones when not speaking
>    - SOI updates: none
>
> 2) Brief updates
> a) Newcomer tutorial plans:
>
>    - Tuesday 23 May, immediately following WG Call
>    - Recording to be available for on-demand replay
>
> *Action Item:* Newcomers to RSVP to Newcomer Tutorial invitation if you
> plan to attend
>
> b) ICANN59 meeting plans:
>
>    - Monday 26 June Cross-Community Session on RDS
>    - Tuesday 27 June Face-to-Face RDS PDP WG Session
>
> 3) Review proposed-final definition(s) to replace "authoritative" in
> Statement of Purpose, Item 2):
>
>    - https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/
>    DataOfRecord-Proposal.pdf
>    - Recommendation on how to proceed with replacement term for
>    "authoritative"
>    - Starting with poll results from 28 March for Statement of Purpose
>    item 2) - substitute term "Data of Record" so that item will read:
>    - "2) A purpose of RDS is to facilitate dissemination of gTLD
>    registration data of record, such as domain names and their domain contacts
>    and name servers, in accordance with applicable policy.”
>    - Definition: "the data set at a given time relevant to a given
>    registration object that expresses the data provided in the then-current
>    registration for that object.”
>    - Can still later consider "source of record" but does not appear
>    needed to convey intent of this item in the statement of purpose
>
> *Proposed WG Agreement (to test with poll): *"2) A purpose of RDS is to
> facilitate dissemination of gTLD registration data of record, such as
> domain names and their domain contacts and name servers, in accordance with
> applicable policy.” (including footnoted definition above)
>
> 4) Continue deliberation on the charter question 5: What steps should be
> taken to control "thin data" access?
>
>    - See handout https://community.icann.org/download/
>    attachments/64078620/Charter%20Question%205%20-%20Handout%
>    20-%20For17MayCall%20v2.pdf
>    <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/Charter%20Question%205%20-%20Handout%20-%20For17MayCall%20v2.pdf>
>    - Full results available at https://community.icann.
>    org/download/attachments/64078620/SummaryResults-Poll-from-9MayCall.pdf
>    <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/SummaryResults-Poll-from-9MayCall.pdf>
>
> a) Is "thin data" access authentication required or allowed?
>
>    - Proposed answer: Based on Poll Question 2) Option e)
>    - "Thin data elements must be accessible without requestor
>    authentication."
>    - With 33 responses, option e) had greatest support and least
>    opposition - but not rough consensus
>    - Does "inquirers identifying themselves" or "authentication" imply a
>    person rather than a machine making the request?
>    - First proposed change "gTLD registration "thin data" should be
>    accessible without inquirer identification or stating purpose".
>    - Consider combining option e) with this agreement, and using
>    "requestor" instead of "inquirer" for consistency
>    - Revised/combined proposed change "gTLD registration "thin data" must
>    be accessible without requestor identification, authentication, or stated
>    purpose".
>
> *Proposed WG Agreement (to test with poll):* "gTLD registration "thin
> data" must be accessible without requestor identification, authentication,
> or stated purpose".
>
> b) Is "thin data" access anonymity required or allowed?
>
>    - Proposed answer: Based on Poll Question 2) Comment 9:
>    - "Access to thin registration data must be provided to anonymous
>    requestors."
>    - Does anyone think we must refer to anonymity or is proposed
>    agreement in a) sufficient?
>    - Introduces a new term that may be problematic.
>    - Why do we need to define anonymous now? Thick data for LEA we may
>    need to define anonymous and untraceable and a whole slew of things but we
>    are only on thin data now, right?
>    - The current proposal (under a above) says what the requestor does
>    _not_ have to give, rather than trying to create an attribute of the
>    requestor
>
> c) Do we need to define "authentication"?
>
>    - We might need to define it later (since we say that there is no
>    authentification required for thin data) - may need to define it for thick
>    data
>    - Is "according to policy" implicit in WG agreements? We haven't yet
>    agreed on specific "thin data" elements yet
>
> *Action Item:* Staff to launch poll the test revised item 2) in statement
> of purpose and revised 2 May agreement (the two Proposed WG Agreements
> above). WG members to participate in poll by COB Saturday 20 May.
>
> d) Should policies allow or prevent application of operational controls?
>
>    - Rough consensus WG Agreement (75%) on Poll Question 3):
>    - *"There must be no RDS policies that prevent RDS operators from
>    applying operational controls such as rate limiting and CAPTCHA, provided
>    that they do not unreasonably restrict legitimate access."*
>    - Need to define specific policy for "reasonable" and "legitimate"
>    during Phase 2 of this PDP?
>    - Is there a need for an explicit statement like this? If the
>    information is public, is it necessary to limit to prevent scraping? Or is
>    rate limiting being used to limit legitimate access - can't ignore this
>    gaming/artificial limit possibility.
>    - Note 2013 RAA 3.3.5 states "Registrar shall permit use of data it
>    provides in response to queries for any lawful purposes except to...(b)
>    enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that send queries or
>    data to the systems of any Registry Operator or ICANN-Accredited registrar,
>    except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or modify existing
>    registrations."
>    - Perhaps rather than saying something about rate-limiting per se, we
>    need an SLA about the level of access that must be supported.
>    - Remaining silent on this point may lead to policies that interfere
>    with use of operational controls - but using "unreasonably restrict
>    legitimate access" may leap this too open ended
>    - Agreed to put this rough consensus point on hold, pending definition
>    of what "unreasonably restrict legitimate access" means
>
> *Action Item:* Rod Rasmussen and Vaibhav Aggarwal to work together to
> define what "unreasonably restrict legitimate access" means in the context
> of this statement and propose that definition to WG mailing list,
> preferrably before next week's WG call.
>
> e) Review all of charter question 5 sub-questions with goal to complete
> first pass deliberation on "thin data" access in May
>
>    - DEFERRED TO 23 MAY WG MEETING
>
> 5) Confirm action items and proposed decision points
>
>    - *Proposed WG Agreement (to test with poll): *"2) A purpose of RDS is
>    to facilitate dissemination of gTLD registration data of record, such as
>    domain names and their domain contacts and name servers, in accordance with
>    applicable policy.” (including footnoted definition above)
>    - *Proposed WG Agreement (to test with poll):* "gTLD registration
>    "thin data" must be accessible without requestor identification,
>    authentication, or stated purpose".
>    - *Action Item:* Newcomers to RSVP to Newcomer Tutorial invitation if
>    you plan to attend
>    - *Action Item:* Staff to launch poll the test revised item 2) in
>    statement of purpose and revised 2 May agreement (the two Proposed WG
>    Agreements above). WG members to participate in poll by COB Saturday 20 May.
>    - *Action Item:* Rod Rasmussen and Vaibhav Aggarwal to work together
>    to define what "unreasonably restrict legitimate access" means in the
>    context of this statement and propose that definition to WG mailing list,
>    preferably before next week's WG call.
>
> 6) Confirm next meeting date: 23 May 2017 at 16:00 UTC
>
>
>
> *Meeting Materials*
>
>    - *Data of Record Proposal
>    <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/DataOfRecord-Proposal.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1494989338000&api=v2>*
>    - *Charter Question 5 - Handout - For17MayCall.pdf
>    <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/Charter%20Question%205%20-%20Handout%20-%20For17MayCall%20v2.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1494961615000&api=v2>*
>    - *KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-9May2017.pdf
>    <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56986791/KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-9May2017.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1494372838376&api=v2> *
>    and *doc
>    <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56986791/KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-9May2017.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1494372853897&api=v2>*
>
>
>    - *9 May Call Poll Results -*
>       - PDF of Poll Questions:* Poll-from-9MayCall.pdf
>       <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078610/Poll-from-9MayCall.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1494374689000&api=v2>*
>       - SurveyMonkey Summary Poll Results: *SummaryResults-Poll-from-9MayCall.pdf
>       <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/SummaryResults-Poll-from-9MayCall.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1494787660000&api=v2>*
>       - SurveyMonkey Raw Data Poll Results: *RawDataResults-Poll-from-9MayCall.zip
>       <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/RawDataResults-Poll-from-9MayCall.zip?version=1&modificationDate=1494787676000&api=v2>*
>        and *XLS
>       <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078620/RawDataResults-Poll-from-9MayCall.xls?version=1&modificationDate=1494787693000&api=v2>*
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