[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPROTANT - Action Items and Notes from Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 17 May 2017

Thu May 18 14:47:05 UTC 2017

I was making more of a legal point. If I am not entitled to it in whois, how am I entitled to it in DNS considering registrars/registries are the common source for both?

In general, as I have said previously, the solution is that individuals (ie not companies) who own domains should be able to have whois privacy protection for free and be explained the impacts and implications of choosing that one way or the other. That SOLVES this security and privacy debate. Big business monetizing someone exercising their rights is, in no small measure, how we have this fight now. 

That said whois info (even in nameservers) is useful for diagnostic purposes. Occasionally there are differences between the two that are relevant to a problem. Those accuracy issues can be relevant just like its relevant when I see domains you have with the phone number set to 000000000 even though that data is clearly wrong and no attempt was made to validate it. 

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> On May 18, 2017, at 10:38, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
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> I was speaking more in general.
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> But even then, there is no need to look at this data in the whois, because that information is resolved without whois.
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>> Am 18.05.2017 um 16:32 schrieb John Bambenek:
>> For thin data? If the answer isn't "the entire world" then for at least nameservers you are, quite literally, breaking the internet. If I am not "entitled" to know the nameservers of cnn.com in whois, I can't see how I am entitled to it in DNS. And if I can't get that, I can't get to CNN ever.
>> 
>> But let's skip past the idea that we can just break DNS because *privacy* for a moment. A random consumer might want to validate some measure of information to diagnose their own problems or validate who they are talking to is who they intend? Are we going to make just normal internet users unconnected to any entity jump through hoops just to diagnose their own problems or protect themselves from fraud?
>> 
>> Or are you intending to switch the debate to thick data now?
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>>> On May 18, 2017, at 10:20, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Point taken. So why the opposition to requiring those who want to access certain information legitimize themselves?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 18.05.2017 um 16:17 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>>>> What are the legitimate purposes for owning a domain? Who do we empower to make those judgements and how will the rules be enforced?
>>>> 
>>>> A free and open Internet ends when we start making others prove their legitimacy first. There may be 100s of use cases none of us can imagine that will be upon is 10 years from now.
>>>> 
>>>> J
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>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 13:46, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17/5/17 9:40 am, Michael Peddemors wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, this is the common argument, however IMHO this is a red herring..
>>>>>> There are more efficient ways for 'harvesters' to gain data, and
>>>>>> others way to prevent such abuse..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, IMHO this argument is another case of impacting the many
>>>>>> legitimate users, for the sake of a few bad apples..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And I havent' seen any arguments yet, of a case scenario which can't
>>>>>> be addressed by other means..
>>>>> So to reverse this, what are the *legitimate* purposes of harvesting?
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