[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access
John Bambenek
jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
Tue May 30 21:02:17 UTC 2017
Emails addresses are not in thin data.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 30, 2017, at 15:58, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I may be wrong defining what an abuse is but If one (unauthenticated) can collect hundreds of email adresses or phone numbers from thin data, and then try to spam....or spoof them... Isn't that a case of abuse ?
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> Le 30 mai 2017 20:53, "allison nixon" <elsakoo at gmail.com> a écrit :
> so can you name one specific example of how someone could abuse thin data?
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> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
>> Abuse is the improper usage or treatment of an entity, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit. In our context, abuse is the improper usage of WHOIS/RDS to unfairly or improperly gain access to information or to game the system.
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>> Here are some of the overarching principles which should guide us when building RDS:
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>> DATA LIFECYCLE PRIVACY PRINCIPLE PROTECTION MEASURE
>> Collection Proportionality and purpose specification Data minimisation, Data quality
>> Storage Accountability, Security measures, Sensitive data Confidentiality, Encryption, Pseudonomisation
>> Sharing and processing Lawfulness and fairness, Consent, Right of access Data access control, Data leakage prevention
>> Deletion Openness, Right to erasure Retention, Archival, Erasure
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>> If such principles are not respected, ICANN will be liable. Consumers don't need to have all the thin data when making a query. This could protect them and enable them to have access to the RDS without raising much opposition.
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>> Now, we could discuss the possibility for broader query types. These principles would still apply, but would be contextualized in order to take into account new sets of parameters for each broader query. By increasing granularity as much as possible, while applying these aformentioned principles, we just might find a way to accomodate everyone.
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>> Nathalie
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>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:00 PM, John Horton <john.horton at legitscript.com> wrote:
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>> I was going to reply to Natalie's email as well, but Paul's comments capture my thoughts, so: +1.
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>> John Horton
>> President and CEO, LegitScript
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>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es> wrote:
>> Natalie,
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>> Thank you for the email. Im copying the list because i see others have replied to your comment.
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>> I strenuously object to the concept. We are discussing THIN DATA ONLY HERE. Unless someone can explain to me why any of this data set has privacy concerns this is a non-issue. I would certainly appreciate someone explaining what, if any, privacy issues are perceived to be at issue here.
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>> Moreover, while you suggest that the idea escapes the need to declare a purpose, it does nothing but reinforce a subjective criteria based system in which the declared purpose is used to somehow limit the data being retrieved.
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>> If i am missing something please let me know.
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>> Paul
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On 30 May 2017, at 21:08, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
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>>> Hi Paul,
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>>> In the context of thin data, in view of the opposition of some to allow unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of proportionality serves as an over-arching principle at this particular phase in our work in order to protect data from abuse while not restricting access.
>>> Thin data must be proportionate to the query, be useful for that particular query. All and any other thin data foreign to this query should not be shared. This principle potentially avoids having to resort to 'legitimate purposes' which cannot be verified for unauthenticated access.
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>>> Nathalie
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>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:44 PM, "Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
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>>> Because Nathalie was the originator and was unable to speak on the call, I encourage her to describe the nature of the issue on this thread.
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>>> Chuck
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>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann. org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg- bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Keating
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM
>>> To: Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com>; RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access
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>>> Im sorry to have missed the call but had a client engagement.
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>>> Can someone briefly describe the nature of the issue?
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>>> Thanks
>>> Paul
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>>> From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@ icann.org> on behalf of Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM
>>> To: RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access
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>>> All, per today's call action item:
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>>> Action Item: Nathalie Coupet and any other WG members who wish to do so to propose to the WG list a new principle on proportionality for "thin data." All WG members to comment on that proposed principle in advance of next call.
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>>> we are starting a new thread here which anyone may reply to if they wish to propose (or respond to) a new principle on proportionality for "thin data" access.
>>>
>>> Best, Lisa
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