[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] More mandatory reading in preparation for ICANN AD

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Jonathan,

 

I am curious what criteria you used to determine that the multi-stakeholder process doesn’t work.

 

Chuck

 

From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of jonathan matkowsky
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:03 PM
To: Theo Geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl>
Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] More mandatory reading in preparation for ICANN AD

 

Hi, everyone - I am not getting into Abu Dhabi until Monday. It's very sad to see the open Internet breaking down as a result of the multistakeholder process failing to work.  We will end up needing a lot more blocking and at a much higher level than before, so that interstate commerce doesn't collapse into the dark Web. 

 

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Theo Geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl> > wrote:

And I am not the person who can change things here. 

Again 
We need to balance privacy and abuse. 

Build cases not statements.

Theo 



On 26-10-2017 19:25, John Bambenek wrote:

I am not shooting anyone. Just making my point. 

-- 

John Bambenek


On Oct 26, 2017, at 19:24, Theo <gtheo at xs4all.nl <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl> > wrote:

Mark my words John,

 

Don't shoot the messenger here.

 

Theo

 

Verzonden vanaf mijn Windows 10-telefoon

 

Van: John Bambenek <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com> 
Verzonden: donderdag 26 oktober 2017 19:06
Aan: Theo Geurts <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl> 
CC: Volker Greimann <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net> ; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> 
Onderwerp: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] More mandatory reading in preparation for ICANN AD

 

That is not impossible. I disagree there are 25 checkboxes any more than there will be 25 checkboxes needed to post a tweet. 

 

The checkbox is “this information will be in a public database and accessible world-wide so others can verify domain ownership and contact you. If you don’t like this, click private registration now.”

 

There is no need to overcomplicate a simple issue. 

 

--

John Bambenek

 

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 18:51, Theo Geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl> > wrote:

> 

> John,

> 

> Let's see.

> Escrow requirements Registry/Registrar.

> Country depended/Company depended and security level depended.

> Data retention spec (tons of data gathered there)

> ICANN, running several WHOIS programs in conjunction with third-party vendors by GAC marching orders.

> WHOIS data being processed by unknown third parties given its current public access.

> Over a 1000 TLDs scattered over all over the globe.

> 

> A simple gTLD registration will require a registrant to click at least 25 checkboxes to consent too.

> This is a conservative prediction and not meant to tick off WG members.

> 

> Theo Geurts

> 

> 

>> On 26-10-2017 18:34, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:

>> Exactly how does this document say that consent is practically impossible when my reading of it provides guidance of how such consent could be achieved?

>> 

>> As far as private by default, SHOULD is not MUST. The document doesn’t say that’s a hard requirement.

>> 

>> --

>> John Bambenek

>> 

>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 16:01, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net> > wrote:

>>> 

>>> The Council of Europe has just published a guide on privacy and data protection principles specifically for ICANN related data processing.

>>> 

>>> TL;DR:

>>> 

>>> 1) Data controller needs to define twofold purposes for processing; a) related to policy; b) for contracted parties and their agreements with data subjects.

>>> 

>>> 2) Data controller is fully liable for all data processing performed in accordance with purpose statement in compliance with all applicable laws.

>>> 

>>> 3) Data processed for purposes not included in purpose statement is unlawful.

>>> 

>>> 4) Data processing must be limited by guiding principles of necessity, proportionality and purpose limitation

>>> 

>>> 5) Data processing based on consent is practically impossible in ICANN context.

>>> 

>>> 6) Personal data must not be stored for longer than absolutely necessary for the legitimate purpose pursued.

>>> 

>>> 7) ICANN needs formal data transfer policy for trans-border transfers.

>>> 

>>> 8) Privacy by design and default as basis for all processing considerations.

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