[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 29 August Meeting
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Mon Sep 4 16:38:18 UTC 2017
Thanks Chuck, so these are systems over which ICANN has no contractual
control beyond the RA? IN the case of the registrars, I have noted that
the provisions of the agreement dealing with data retention reach into
areas of registrant data over which ICANN really should not have
control, IMHO, such as IP address used in relations with the Registrar,
and financial details (section 3.4 of the RAA). I believe that various
communications from the data commissioners over this data retention,
(eg. Kohnstamm to Crocker and Chehade, 2013-2014, Hustinx to Jeffrey
2014) tend to support this view as well. Clearly if this section forms
part of the contract, ICANN has decided that it *does* exercise control
over the collection, use and disclosure of the Registrars' client
records, so at the risk of slowing us down, I do think it is useful to
consider exactly how separate these various data collections are. I
think it is quite relevant to the discussion of whether an optional
field has to be filled if data exists [somewhere].
I do understand that these requirements tend to respond to the Law
Enforcement Recommended RAA Amendments and ICANN Due Diligence, a
remarkable document in itself. (this document appears to be a 2010
document, doubtless a key input to the 2013 RAA.....)
Thanks very much!
Stephanie
On 2017-09-04 11:50, Chuck wrote:
>
> Stephanie,
>
> Registries operate the SRS for their own systems. I doing so they
> have to of course comply with any relevant terms of the RA.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Marika Konings
> *Sent:* Monday, September 4, 2017 7:29 AM
> *To:* Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>;
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from
> 29 August Meeting
>
> Thanks, Stephanie. I will need to consult with my compliance &
> registrar colleagues on that question and will get back to you as soon
> as I hear back.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Stephanie
> Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
> *Date: *Monday, September 4, 2017 at 08:22
> *To: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from
> 29 August Meeting
>
> Thanks for this very helpful explanation Marika. It actually confirms
> what I feared, and I have a very hard time accepting that if data
> exists in a separate system, it is not permitted to leave it out of an
> optional field. It is of course entirely possible that I am making a
> mistake here because I do not understand exactly how ICANN defines or
> controls the management of the SRS. Could you please answer that
> question?
>
> THanks!
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> On 2017-09-04 09:31, Marika Konings wrote:
>
> For your information, the way ‘optional’ is defined in the
> advisory is as follows:
>
> /For each type of object query (domain name, registrar, or name
> server), this advisory identifies some fields as optional. For
> optional fields where no data exists in a contracted party's
> Registration System (SRS), the contracted party MUST implement
> either of: 1) the key (i.e., the string to the left of the colon)
> MUST be shown with no information in the value section (i.e.,
> right-hand side of the colon) of the field; or 2) no field MUST be
> shown. If data exist for a given optional field, the key and the
> value with the data MUST be shown./
>
> As such, existence in this context is defined as existing in the
> contracted party’s Registration System (SRS). Of course, it is up
> to the WG to discuss whether this definition of ‘optional’ is
> aligned with the WG’s thinking or whether a different description
> should apply, but I thought it might be helpful to share how
> ‘optional’ is currently applied in the context of the RAA’s
> Registration Data Directory Service (Whois) Specification.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Volker
> Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> *Date: *Monday, September 4, 2017 at 03:02
> *To: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll
> from 29 August Meeting
>
> That should be: If data exists in the RDS...
>
> Simple existence of the data somewhere does not qualify, it must
> be part of the whois data already.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 02.09.2017 um 01:50 schrieb jonathan matkowsky:
>
> It may be important to note from the April 27
> advisory[icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_registry-2Dagreement-2Draa-2Drdds-2D2015-2D04-2D27-2Den&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=-QdZWRP9E0Tue1qZKrRqGbPGd97JSKbJ35HFizxbH3A&s=SqIs4n0FlFPbl8LZIPnaqe0VvjRh-sOgJJ2dJ2dIYGk&e=>
> on that Consensus Policy that if data exists for a given
> optional field, the data MUST be shown. So I would suggest we
> define optional in that way.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Greg Aaron <gca at icginc.com
> <mailto:gca at icginc.com>> wrote:
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> The first question of this poll asks whether Reseller Name
> must be supported by the RDS, and whether it MUST or MAY
> be provided for inclusion in the RDS by Registrars.
>
> This issue was decided by the Registry Registration Data
> Directory Services Consistent Labeling and Display Policy,
> a Consensus Policy that went into effect 1 August 2017.
> It says: “In responses to domain name object queries the
> following fields are considered optional … Reseller.”
> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/rdds-labeling-policy-2017-02-01-en[icann.org]
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> The policy says that the system must support this field,
> it’s optional for registrars to fill in that field, and
> the field is displayed in output if the registrar provided
> the data.
>
> TheWG is accepting the results of that Consensus Policy
> regarding Registrar Abuse contacts. So I suggest it also
> follow what that that same Consensus Policy says about for
> Reseller Name.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Greg
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> *Subject:* [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for
> Poll from 29 August Meeting
> *Importance:* High
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> Dear all,
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> In follow-up to this week’s WG meeting, *all RDS PDP WG
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