[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agreement for Original Registration Date

Thu Sep 21 15:43:47 UTC 2017

Its a policy bit but the ccNSO has to deal with that. I have to agree with Chuck. 

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 19:40, Chuck <consult at cgomes.com> wrote:
> 
> Please remember that our work relates to gTLDs not ccTLDs.
> 
> Chuck
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> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Keating
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> To: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba at gmail.com>; Volker Greimann
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agreement for Original Registration
> Date
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> And, of course there is the issue of obtaining the data to fill the field
> with a meaningful data element.  It would require a link to historical data
> that may or may not exist, particularly at the ccdld level.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 9/21/17, 5:10 PM, "Maxim Alzoba" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on
> behalf of m.alzoba at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is it better to make it list of previous periods of registration?
>> like dd/mm/yy-dd1/mm1/yy1 ?
>> 
>> the bad thing is, most of old domain names will have something like 
>> unknown, dd/mm/yy-dd1/mm1/yy1 (if we decide to have this field at all)
>> 
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>>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 17:54, Volker Greimann 
>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My issue with the counter is that it is just as prone to errors than 
>>> the originally proposed date. If you overlooked an old registration, 
>>> the count is wrong. So i prefer the y/n/u approach (if we take in the 
>>> field at all).
>>> 
>>> Volker
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 21.09.2017 um 16:48 schrieb Andrew Sullivan:
>>>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 02:28:39PM +0000, Greg Aaron wrote:
>>>>> The alternate proposal is a simple marker that says whether there 
>>>>> has been a known previous iteration of the domain string, having 
>>>>> been registered with a different ROID.
>>>>> 
>>>> Or a counter, of course, rather than just the marker.  From the 
>>>> point of view of implementation in a database, I think these two 
>>>> options are approximately the same, so I prefer the counter because 
>>>> it provides an additional bit of data (that is, that the domain is 
>>>> changing -- you can watch it happen).
>>>> 
>>>>> And it still presents the same operational problem: the registry 
>>>>> has to figure out whether a string has existed before.  That is 
>>>>> something registries are not designed to do.  And they may not have 
>>>>> the necessary historical records.  See the notes below.
>>>>> 
>>>> Well, no, that's part of the point of the new proposal: the registry 
>>>> _doesn't_ have to figure that out, because the counter can be set to 
>>>> "unknown" (in a SQL database, you'd probably use NULL).  To support 
>>>> this feature, however, the registry would have to track deletions of 
>>>> domain names in the future.  So it wouldn't be free, but it also 
>>>> wouldn't be hard to implement.  (Any real SQL database, for 
>>>> instance, could do this with an ON DELETE trigger.)
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> A
>>>> 
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