[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners

[Kris Seeburn]

These points are exactly true and factual

Kris

> On 27 Sep 2017, at 11:50, Rob Golding <rob.golding at astutium.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-09-26 17:38, allison nixon wrote:
>> It's not irrelevent, because people here keep going on and on about
>> how it's going to become illegal to publish any ownership info
>> relating to domains, but many other sites on the internet clearly do
>> not follow these extraordinarily strict guidelines people want to set
>> for whois
> 
> Facebook aren't publishing the "account owners' information".
> They may be publishing what (if anything) the user chooses to tell facebook to publish - they're the same thing at all.
> 
> You dont expect an Airline to publish a passenger list along with home address and date/time of purchase on their website, just because someone bought a plane ticket, so why would you expect the same for people who bought a domain name ?
> 
> re the Co-House "leak" qestion ...
>> So you have a physical address, a list of people's names, their physical
>> addresses, and their entire filing history. Is this "leaked" data as well?
> 
> No.
> 
> If you want to have a legally registered company in the UK, and the benefits/protections that come from that legal entity, you have to comply with the Companies Act, which requires that the _registered office_ (where legal docs are kept) and names of those running it are "public" information
> 
> They're not home-addresses of those people (just service addresses where letters may be sent to - often virtual rather than physical). You can run a business without being a registered company.
> 
> So it's not "private data being leaked" it's been designated "public data".
> 
> And if you want the additional benefit of Limited Liability in the event of company collapse that comes at the cost of your dateOfBirth becoming public, so that people can do additional checks on you (somewhat redundant now as was because traditional credit checks needed Full Name and DOB back-in-the-day)
> 
> An equivalent exists in most locales, Dellaware's LLCs having the people behind them and the local service address being public for example
> 
> 
>> On 2017-09-26 16:35, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
>> Then facebook, gmail, and quite frankly, THE ENTIRE INTERNET cannot
>> exist if this were true.
> 
> Facebook dont publish the personal data of their users.
> Gmail dont publish the personal data of their users.
> And although I don't personally know him Frank Ly probably doesn't publish the personal data of his users either.
> 
> These offerings _may_ provide (and encourage) the user with a way of them _optionally_ providing or publishing things to a greater or lesser extent, but it's not mandatory, it's not (probably) illegal, publishing is not a requirement of having the service and so on, all of which describe WHOIS
> 
>> But it's not true. It'd a red herring.
> 
> Yes, bringing up FB/Gmail/T.E.I. etc is a complete red herring. Again.
> 
> Rob
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