[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] WSGR Final Memorandum

Wed Sep 27 12:34:40 UTC 2017

Exactly my point. There is no good way to NOT provide domain name services to EU citizens. I can take literally no steps to advertise there or have a bona fide presence there. Yet this argues that ICANN should adopt principles that not only try to comply best they can, but that everyone everywhere should accede to EU law even in the cases where it the law where they actually physically are. 

Surely you see the problem with that. 

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> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
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> I think you misunderstood. Providing rergistration services to customers in other countries (say: Canada) that in turn use these domain names to provide the described service requires neither a physical presence in the US nor physical customers. But I believe some claim your rules still apply...
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> Volker
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>> Am 27.09.2017 um 14:16 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>> In that case you are actually doing business in the US with a physical presence here and physical customers here.
>> 
>> In this case you have people selling domain names any where in the world who can't know whether someone is an EU subject or not with a legal opinion that says distinguishing between natural and legal persons is too hard so don't try. So their opinion quite literally says for instance that a US registrar selling to primarily US persons should comply with GDPR EVEN IF that compliance violates US laws. In essence, the EU now has control of internet governance.
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>> Surely you can see the difference.
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 4:03 AM, Luc SEUFER <lseufer at dclgroup.eu> wrote:
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>>> Just for my personal comprehension, does the same reasoning applies to the sale of pharmaceutical products in the US by foreign pharmacies?
>>> Is this "American imperialism" to impose the application of US laws on everyone willing to trade on the US territory?
>>> 
>>> Luc
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>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 23:54, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> I want to point out something on page 17, namely this quote:
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>>> "We think the best way to avoid conflicts would be to try to bring the data processing practices of ICANN and the registrars in line with EU data protection law as much as possible, and to give primacy to EU data protection requirements when they clash with those of other jurisdictions."
>>> 
>>> This is a patently offensive claim of European imperialism. One ventures down this road with great consequences.
>>> 
>>> j
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>>> On 9/26/2017 4:29 PM, Chuck wrote:
>>> As most of you recall, at the request of multiple WG members, we decided in early June to engage a law firm with experience in European data protection law to provide our WG with independent answers to the same questions we asked the European data protection experts earlier in the year.  The final report from that effort is what Marika sent to the list shortly after our WG call today; it is attached to this message as well.
>>> 
>>> All members are requested to review this report by Friday of this week if possible.  The leadership team has prepared a list of principles that are excerpted from the WSGR Final Report and/or from the Data Expert answers that we think will be relevant to our ongoing work. We have asked the small advisory group that we formed in early June to review the principles and let us know if the excerpts are accurate and complete.  After they have had time to respond, we will finalize the principles document and send it to the full WG for all to review; our goal is to do that by the end of this week so that we can use it in our WG meeting next week.
>>> 
>>> It is the opinion of the leadership team that the information the Data Protection experts provided has been confirmed by WSGR in their final report, albeit with more detail in some cases.  We also believe that our objective of obtaining an independent analysis of the questions has been met, so it is now time for us to put the information to use in answering the first four questions in our charter and that is the plan starting next week.  To facilitate that, the principles will be mapped to the first four charter questions, a task that is now underway.
>>> 
>>> I am sure this WG could debate the answers received for the next six months but we are not going to do that.  We received answers from the Data Protection experts.  Some feared bias so we obtained an independent analysis.  That analysis confirms the information that we had already been given with some clarifying insights.  It is now time to apply that information to our deliberation and finish answering critical questions in our charter and develop RDS requirements for Phase 1.
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>>> If I left anything out or anyone on the leadership team wants to add anything, please feel free to do.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika Konings
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:54 AM
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>>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] WSGR Final Memorandum
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>>> Dear All,
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>>> As discussed during today’s meeting, please find attached for your review and consideration the final memorandum from Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati, LLP (WSGR) concerning the final responses to EU data protection questions re. gTLD Registration Directory data. Chuck will follow up on this message shortly with further instructions and next steps.
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