[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners

[allison nixon]

>>Facebook dont publish the personal data of their users.
>>Gmail dont publish the personal data of their users.

This is in direct contradiction to what is stated elsewhere by people who
claim that datapoints in WHOIS are personal data. When I plug in any gmail
address into the search bar of gmail, it returns to me the "name"
associated with the account and their G+ profile. In the case of my
account, it returns "Allison Nixon"

Facebook discloses even more. They explicitly require individuals to use
their birth name, and if they are anonymously reported for using a fake
name, they are required to disclose their identity documents to prove their
name. Additionally, all of those names go into a publicly searchable
directory containing that, and a picture of themselves, and sometimes
geographical information.

So please explain why a person's name on a WHOIS is personal information,
to be treated with the utmost of secrecy, but what Facebook does is no big
deal and they can continue publishing all of it for the whole world to see,
search and scrape, and anyone who even tries to question that discrepancy
is guilty of throwing "red herrings". Please.


On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:50 AM, Rob Golding <rob.golding at astutium.com>
wrote:

> On 2017-09-26 17:38, allison nixon wrote:
>
>> It's not irrelevent, because people here keep going on and on about
>> how it's going to become illegal to publish any ownership info
>> relating to domains, but many other sites on the internet clearly do
>> not follow these extraordinarily strict guidelines people want to set
>> for whois
>>
>
> Facebook aren't publishing the "account owners' information".
> They may be publishing what (if anything) the user chooses to tell
> facebook to publish - they're the same thing at all.
>
> You dont expect an Airline to publish a passenger list along with home
> address and date/time of purchase on their website, just because someone
> bought a plane ticket, so why would you expect the same for people who
> bought a domain name ?
>
> re the Co-House "leak" qestion ...
>
>> So you have a physical address, a list of people's names, their physical
>> addresses, and their entire filing history. Is this "leaked" data as well?
>>
>
> No.
>
> If you want to have a legally registered company in the UK, and the
> benefits/protections that come from that legal entity, you have to comply
> with the Companies Act, which requires that the _registered office_ (where
> legal docs are kept) and names of those running it are "public" information
>
> They're not home-addresses of those people (just service addresses where
> letters may be sent to - often virtual rather than physical). You can run a
> business without being a registered company.
>
> So it's not "private data being leaked" it's been designated "public data".
>
> And if you want the additional benefit of Limited Liability in the event
> of company collapse that comes at the cost of your dateOfBirth becoming
> public, so that people can do additional checks on you (somewhat redundant
> now as was because traditional credit checks needed Full Name and DOB
> back-in-the-day)
>
> An equivalent exists in most locales, Dellaware's LLCs having the people
> behind them and the local service address being public for example
>
>
> On 2017-09-26 16:35, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
>
>> Then facebook, gmail, and quite frankly, THE ENTIRE INTERNET cannot
>> exist if this were true.
>>
>
> Facebook dont publish the personal data of their users.
> Gmail dont publish the personal data of their users.
> And although I don't personally know him Frank Ly probably doesn't publish
> the personal data of his users either.
>
> These offerings _may_ provide (and encourage) the user with a way of them
> _optionally_ providing or publishing things to a greater or lesser extent,
> but it's not mandatory, it's not (probably) illegal, publishing is not a
> requirement of having the service and so on, all of which describe WHOIS
>
> But it's not true. It'd a red herring.
>>
>
> Yes, bringing up FB/Gmail/T.E.I. etc is a complete red herring. Again.
>
> Rob
>
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