[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Fri Sep 29 08:44:50 UTC 2017
Hi John,
I have no issue with leaving some form of RDS as a choice. If I want to
have my data in the RDS, for everyone to see, I should be able to do
that and I would recommend that for people doing business online to
build trust. But I would not support it as a requirement. The voluntarys
element is the key. I can ask for consent, but I cannot require it.
Volker
Am 28.09.2017 um 19:32 schrieb John Bambenek:
>
> Which is why we I advocate that we shouldn't monetize consumers
> exercising their rights in the first place. If they want data
> published, great. If they don't want it published, fine. There are
> consequences and benefits of both decisions, and we can spell those out.
>
> What we don't need is a small handful of people in an obscure working
> group deciding what consumers, business, and everyone else all over
> the world can and cannot publish via WHOIS. Why not just empower the
> consumer to exercise or not exercise their rights how they see fit and
> move on? Like Twitter, Facebook, and others already have?
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 11:22 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>
>> Spamming by ICANN accredited registrars should be reported to ICANN.
>> Resellers however are not usually accredited.
>>
>> And I agree that there are threats other than spam, and there is
>> great work being done to contain it. But not at the cost of violating
>> the rights of the 99% of innocent registrants who will get abused if
>> the wrong parties can access their data.
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>> Am 28.09.2017 um 18:12 schrieb John Bambenek:
>>> Yeah. I just dealt with a call today from someone who got a fake
>>> domain renewal notice from an accredited domain reseller.
>>>
>>> But there are a great many more threats to privacy and security to
>>> privacy than spam.... even spam by those accredited by ICANN.
>>>
>>> All we have ever asked is for some balance. We are generally met
>>> with no willingness to compromise.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Bambenek
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:04, Volker Greimann
>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As an aside, I recently registered a new domain name for a new
>>>> project using a new mail address and in the 3 days that I have had
>>>> it I already received 5 spam messages trying to sell me services
>>>> for it and 10 general spam messages on that address. And that is
>>>> after the spam filters of my mail provider did their work.
>>>>
>>>> Volker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 28.09.2017 um 15:29 schrieb theo geurts:
>>>>> Indeed privacy prevents a lot of consumers being exploited.
>>>>>
>>>>> Privacy by design usually plays a significant role when setting up
>>>>> security around databases. Often, less is more, data that is not
>>>>> present cannot cause a data breach. The GDPR had to set a whole
>>>>> bunch of rules around data breaches and response times and
>>>>> accounting. Though given the number of weekly data breaches, most
>>>>> likely for the best, yet it is still a load of rules to deal with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Theo
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28-9-2017 15:19, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
>>>>>> Thankfully there are people who donate their time and talent
>>>>>> tackling the privacy and security risks that are seeking to
>>>>>> exploit consumers. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 03:08, Volker Greimann
>>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The role of ICANN to ensure the stability and security of the
>>>>>>> internet is a technical role, not one of being an internet
>>>>>>> policeman. That role is already filled by internet policemen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 27.09.2017 um 20:05 schrieb Chuck:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Without at all minimizing ICANN’s role with regard to security
>>>>>>>> and stability of the Internet because I do believe that is a
>>>>>>>> critical role, I do want to point out that that also is a
>>>>>>>> limited role. Here is a copy of the first part of ICANN’s
>>>>>>>> mission from its Bylaws:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “Section 1.1. MISSION
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (a) The mission of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
>>>>>>>> and Numbers ("*ICANN*") is to ensure the stable and secure
>>>>>>>> operation of the Internet's unique identifier systems as
>>>>>>>> described in this _Section 1.1(a)_ (the "*Mission*").
>>>>>>>> Specifically, ICANN:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (i) Coordinates the allocation and assignment of names in the
>>>>>>>> root zone of the Domain Name System ("*DNS*") and coordinates
>>>>>>>> the development and implementation of policies concerning the
>>>>>>>> registration of second-level domain names in generic top-level
>>>>>>>> domains ("*gTLDs*"). In this role, ICANN's scope is to
>>>>>>>> coordinate the development and implementation of policies:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ·For which uniform or coordinated resolution is reasonably
>>>>>>>> necessary to facilitate the openness, interoperability,
>>>>>>>> resilience, security and/or stability of the DNS including,
>>>>>>>> with respect to gTLD registrars and registries, policies in the
>>>>>>>> areas described in Annex G-1 and Annex G-2; and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ·That are developed through a bottom-up consensus-based
>>>>>>>> multistakeholder process and designed to ensure the stable and
>>>>>>>> secure operation of the Internet's unique names systems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The issues, policies, procedures, and principles addressed in
>>>>>>>> Annex G-1 and Annex G-2 with respect to gTLD registrars and
>>>>>>>> registries shall be deemed to be within ICANN's Mission.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> . . .”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note in (a) and the second bullet under (i) that it says “to
>>>>>>>> ensure the stable and secure operation of the Internet's unique
>>>>>>>> identifier systems”. ICANN’s security and stability role is
>>>>>>>> limited to its responsibilities involving the ‘Internet's
>>>>>>>> unique identifier systems’. I am pretty sure everyone
>>>>>>>> understands that but wanted to make sure. For our purposes in
>>>>>>>> this WG, ICANN has a clear mandate to ensure security and
>>>>>>>> stability of the generic domain names system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *John
>>>>>>>> Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:12 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations
>>>>>>>> with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except that the domain name system is not YOUR system, it is
>>>>>>>> ICANN's who has a very clear mandate for the security and
>>>>>>>> stability of the internet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The purpose is NOT letting registrants get domains and helping
>>>>>>>> registries get paid. It never has been.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 09/27/2017 09:52 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we need to dig down even deeper initially. Instead
>>>>>>>> of RDS, the core of the matter is the need for the data
>>>>>>>> when defining the purpose for collection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is very easy to answer for registrars: "We need
>>>>>>>> (certain elements of) the data to be able to properly
>>>>>>>> provide the business, invoice the customer, collect his
>>>>>>>> payments, send reminders and notices, protect the rights of
>>>>>>>> the customers in case of business failure, comply with
>>>>>>>> legal requirements like record-keeping, etc.". I am leaving
>>>>>>>> out any contractual requirements, as they do not matter for
>>>>>>>> the registrars' own purpose. These are external purposes
>>>>>>>> that the registrar would have to execute without having an
>>>>>>>> own, direct need for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For registries, it gets fuzzier as they do not have a
>>>>>>>> direct connection to the registrants. From a service
>>>>>>>> provision perspective, registries have no need for the
>>>>>>>> data, and no right to it, except maybe for purposes of
>>>>>>>> eligibility verification.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When going beyond registries to the general public, there
>>>>>>>> is no purpose that connects to the provision of the service
>>>>>>>> to the registrant directly. There also (in most countries)
>>>>>>>> is no legal requirement to collect and publish this data.
>>>>>>>> Yet there is still a need for the data, as we have
>>>>>>>> discussed in great detail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So our first question always must be the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "How do we serve the needs of the general public that has
>>>>>>>> an interest in the ability of obtaining such data without
>>>>>>>> violating any applicable laws or the rights of the
>>>>>>>> registrant to the privacy of his data?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This has to be the basis of any design decision and any
>>>>>>>> argument made in this group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arguing that certain laws are unreasonable or unworkable is
>>>>>>>> a dangerous question as it effectively proposes to ignore
>>>>>>>> laws that we as a community do not like, at the risk of
>>>>>>>> contracted parties and to the detriment of the
>>>>>>>> beneficiaries of such laws. just because there has not been
>>>>>>>> any enforcement action in the past does not mean we can
>>>>>>>> ignore the law applicable to the individual contracted
>>>>>>>> parties. And we are not talking about jaywalking here, some
>>>>>>>> of these laws have significant penalties attached to them,
>>>>>>>> as we have also discussed before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with Greg that the ability of contracted parties to
>>>>>>>> be free to make business decisions cannot be absolute. It
>>>>>>>> has to be bound on the one side by ICANN policies and the
>>>>>>>> other side by applicable law. And these two external
>>>>>>>> pressures should not be in conflict with each other. If we
>>>>>>>> can achieve that while answering the basic question above,
>>>>>>>> our work is done. At least for the time being, as laws may
>>>>>>>> obviously change, but that can be taken into account as
>>>>>>>> well. Any discussion that seeks to circumvent this basic
>>>>>>>> question will ultimately lead to the failure of our work
>>>>>>>> and by extention to the end of whois. The latter due to the
>>>>>>>> incompatibility of current whois with applicable law.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think with our initial "purpose definition" exercise, we
>>>>>>>> already went a great way in determining what those needs
>>>>>>>> are and our current work to discuss data points goes into
>>>>>>>> that question as well, even though personally I feel that
>>>>>>>> by defining data points at this point and going into the
>>>>>>>> sticks in some of the discussions we are wasting time. The
>>>>>>>> question should never be "Do we need a Facebook contact in
>>>>>>>> the RDS?" and always be "What contacts are needed as bare
>>>>>>>> minimum to achieve needs X, Y, Z, ...".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 27.09.2017 um 16:00 schrieb Greg Shatan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "data controllers" here do not exist in a vacuum.
>>>>>>>> While registrars and registries need to be free to make
>>>>>>>> many types of decisions in their own business judgment,
>>>>>>>> that cannot be an absolute rule. This is at odds with
>>>>>>>> the ICANN model, consensus policy, etc. In this case,
>>>>>>>> the data controllers are part of a larger ecosystem,
>>>>>>>> and the "needs" go beyond the individual business needs
>>>>>>>> of each data controller. (Indeed, the individual data
>>>>>>>> controller has its own database of information for its
>>>>>>>> business needs.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I previously noted, we are going back to first
>>>>>>>> principles -- which is not necessarily a bad thing. Why
>>>>>>>> does ICANN (and by extension, the Internet) need
>>>>>>>> WHOIS/RDS? That is the question. Not "why does a
>>>>>>>> particular [registrar/registry] need WHOIS/RDS?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Volker Greimann
>>>>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So when will you start advocating the collection
>>>>>>>> and publication of WHOIS for internet users?
>>>>>>>> Because they would be connecting to your network
>>>>>>>> all the time...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 26.09.2017 um 20:48 schrieb John Bambenek via
>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "As for privacy proxy solving the problem, it
>>>>>>>> does not. Over collection is not solved by
>>>>>>>> providing a proxy in the third party disclosure
>>>>>>>> mechanism. It is still over-collection,
>>>>>>>> disproportionate to needs."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fundamentally disagree because the purpose of
>>>>>>>> ICANN is not the mere facilitation of domain
>>>>>>>> from registry to registrant. The purpose is the
>>>>>>>> security and stability of the internet and that
>>>>>>>> means I have a need to verify who is connecting
>>>>>>>> to my network and have a means of contacting
>>>>>>>> them. That point has never been made, to my
>>>>>>>> knowledge, to them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The point that removing that ability of me
>>>>>>>> being able to contact domain owners does far
>>>>>>>> MORE to REDUCE the privacy of the registrants
>>>>>>>> than does publishing said information. We talk
>>>>>>>> often about verification out-of-band for
>>>>>>>> sensitive communications. How can I do that
>>>>>>>> without a phone number?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will loudly and vigorously argue that the
>>>>>>>> path advocated will make the problem FAR worse
>>>>>>>> and not better. Hopefully we don't get to the
>>>>>>>> point where I have actual data to prove that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/26/2017 1:34 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for privacy proxy solving the problem,
>>>>>>>> it does not. Over collection is not solved
>>>>>>>> by providing a proxy in the third party
>>>>>>>> disclosure mechanism. It is still
>>>>>>>> over-collection, disproportionate to needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>>>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>>>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>>>>
>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>>>> www.keydrive.lu
>>>>
>>>> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Volker A. Greimann
>>>> - legal department -
>>>>
>>>> Key-Systems GmbH
>>>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>>>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>>>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>>>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>>>> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>
>>>> Web:www.key-systems.net /www.RRPproxy.net
>>>> www.domaindiscount24.com /www.BrandShelter.com
>>>>
>>>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>>>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
>>>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>>>>
>>>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>>>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>>>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>>>>
>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>>>> www.keydrive.lu
>>>>
>>>> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - Rechtsabteilung -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
>> Web:www.key-systems.net /www.RRPproxy.net
>> www.domaindiscount24.com /www.BrandShelter.com
>>
>> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>>
>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>>
>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>> www.keydrive.lu
>>
>> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - legal department -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email:vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
>> Web:www.key-systems.net /www.RRPproxy.net
>> www.domaindiscount24.com /www.BrandShelter.com
>>
>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>>
>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>>
>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>> www.keydrive.lu
>>
>> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> --
>
> John Bambenek
--
Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
--------------------------------------------
Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems
CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
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