[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP

[theo geurts]

We agree here John.

Privacy is about control over your data.

Do you want to post all your personal information on a forum? Sure, 
include photos if you want too.
Put your cell phone number in a public directory? Sure. Or advertise it 
on a billboard if you want.

Privacy for registrants? Sure, by default and not the other way around, 
as they would lose control and that is indeed not for this WG to decide.
But it is for this WG to come up with solutions to make sure that 
privacy does not end up where registrants are not accountable for their 
actions. That would be backwards and rather silly.

Theo


On 21-2-2018 23:16, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
> Privacy is having the ability to control what is known about you. You can find my cell phone number. That’s because I have chosen that. I don’t think a bunch of mostly white mostly upper middle class mostly north american and european people should decide for almost 7 billion people what choices THEY have with their own data.
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> I am ok with a free privacy option for registrants.
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> John Bambenek
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>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 08:31, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk at nic.br> wrote:
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>>> Em 21 de fev de 2018, à(s) 11:22:000, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> escreveu:
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>>> Often when we send in abuse reports to registries, those abuse reports are forwarded to criminals whole and entire with our names and contact information. That has lead to immediate attacks on the complaintant. For instance, some have been swatted (spoofed calls to police to generate and armed response where they kick in doors guns drawn). This has become so common place, many people either have stopped abuse complaints all together or use aliases to talk to registries.
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>>> In a gated RDS, you will need to know exactly who we are and inherently know what we are looking at. Considering the history of the exact class of people who will have access to that information, what will YOU do to protect OUR privacy and security? Or can we expect now even our RDS queries will be forwarded to criminals also?
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>>> The problem with “you people will figure it out” is that often, registries will take a hostile approach to “us”. If you (as a class) were willing to partner with us, genuinely, I bet we COULD accomplish the mission without RDS. The problem is the history is that at best we get neutrality, but far too often providers have instead, in effect, partnered with the criminals and that has resorted in far worse attacks on OUR privacy and security.
>> John,
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>> Isn't your description a good advocacy piece for having privacy instead of ditching it ? The same privacy you would like to have, registrants would like to have, and currently they don't.
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>> Rubens
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