[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards
theo geurts
gtheo at xs4all.nl
Sun Mar 11 19:25:00 UTC 2018
And that is why we the PPSAI WG recommended not to go there, identifying
a commercial purpose might look on the surface as easy, but it is very
complex.
Theo
On 11-3-2018 20:22, Silver, Bradley via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
> Steve, I think there is a difference between ICANN regulating content
> (which it cannot do), and identifying whether domains are used for a
> commercial purpose.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 11, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com
> <mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>> wrote:
>
>> Domain names and web sites are not the same. I think you're
>> suggesting that ICANN would need to know which domain names have web
>> sites associated with them and then which of those accept payments in
>> some form. This is digging pretty deeply into content, which is
>> precisely what ICANN does not and must not do.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:06 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy
>> <6.internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2018 1:01 PM, "John Bambenek"
>> <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Simple. You ask them. “Is this domain owned by an individual
>> for non-commercial purposes?”
>>
>>
>> Another way is make a distinction is to separate all websites
>> that have a payment gateway / that accept payments in some form.
>>
>>
>> If we find domains engaged in commerce registered as personal
>> and non-commercial, then we send a complaint. Sure, we gotta
>> define commercial but surely that is not hard. We use
>> whatever taxing authority for the jurisdiction says.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Bambenek
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:24, Volker Greimann
>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying
>>> the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the
>>> existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also
>>> identify how this determination can be updated automatically
>>> once the use of a domain name changes.
>>>
>>> The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not
>>> deal with content except for very small and specific areas.
>>> ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content
>>> that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no
>>> control over specific uses.
>>>
>>> These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the
>>> laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to
>>> duplicate this in whois.
>>>
>>> Volker
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy
>>>> <6.internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Private persons (including private persons in a public
>>>> career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is
>>>> this notion extended to protect online commercial entities
>>>> of varying ethical standards? Does
>>>> Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce have a right to
>>>> privacy of its Registrant data?
>>>>
>>>> Their customers don't look for contact information from
>>>> RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the
>>>> information is not there. Many online entities operate from
>>>> behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and
>>>> enable them to carry on their commercial activity with
>>>> minimal or non-existent accountability.
>>>>
>>>> Yourairlinereservations.online
>>>> <http://Yourairlinereservations.online>commerce sells
>>>> millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a
>>>> building somewhere, and/or does not have an employee with a
>>>> name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your
>>>> money, takes your information without disclosing any of its
>>>> own, and does not have a phone number or answer email
>>>> messages (operates through call centers, answers email
>>>> messages by templates) when you are stranded Midway with a
>>>> ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card
>>>> number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data,
>>>> yourholiday owns your passport, and all these entities
>>>> don't have an email address, phone number or a building
>>>> with a person.
>>>>
>>>> Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data
>>>> privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out
>>>> commercial monetary transactions online? That would require
>>>> us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce
>>>> entities, which would be a complex process - agreed.
>>>> Nevertheless, could we think about this?
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
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