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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>"<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org">owner-gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org">owner-gnso-secs@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Nathalie Peregrine <<a href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:24 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[gnso-secs] Attendance and MP3 RDS WG - Tuesday 26 January 2016 at 16:00UTC<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span><span style="font-size: medium;">Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group call on the 26 January 2016</span></font></p>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:Bonjour Nat!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Jen!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Hi everybody!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> volker greimann:i will be in transit for the first hour of the call, but will try to follow the discussion</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Bram Fudzulani:Hello world!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Iliya Bazlyankov:Hello everyone!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Férdeline:Hello everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome all! If you do wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator th password RDS, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate
your AC mics. PLease remember to mute your phone and mics when not talking.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Hello everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:afternoon all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> A Raheja:Hello Everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Grace Mutung'u (Kenya):hi everyone!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:Hi and good day all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Patrick Anglin:Morning/Afternoon All</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> wendy seltzer:Wendy Seltzer here</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maryan Rizinski:Hello everyone!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:hello</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Adrian Cheek:Good Afternoon here</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chris Dillon:Hello everyone!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Aarti Bhavana:Hi All!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:Hello!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:hello</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nick Shorey - UK Gov:Hi everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Krishna Kumar Rajamannar:Hi Everyone!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Richard Padilla:Hello everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:Apologigize, what is audio bridge ?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:how does it work ?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Farell, audio bridge means using your telephone to hear and speak on the conference call</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:ok.. copy that... using dial in !</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Thanks Farell!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Greg Mounier:Hello everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:Note, observers also do not have posting rights on the mailing list</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Observers observe - they can read and stuff - they can't do things ..</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:but as Susan noted, if you want to change your status, all it takes is to contact the GNSO Secretariat and inform them accordingly.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Lance:I am so sorry - how does this work?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:All, in order to speak, you need to be on the audio bridge or connect your microphone via Adobe Connect (see the top phone icon)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ all, to speak please click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC tolbar, and follow instructions. When the telphone icon becmes a microphone, you have activated your AC mic</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Scott Hollenbeck:Im not muted...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sanjeev Gupta:You may also need to give Adobe Flash permission to access your mic and/or camera</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Zuan Zhang (Peter Green):Hi all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lori:Is the phone password RDS?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lori:I don't see it on my invite</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:@Lore -yes</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:Sorry, Lori</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lori:no worries. thanks.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Please remember to LOWER your hands if you cannot speak</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Scott Hollenbeck:Im talking and not muted!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Patrick Lenihan:Hi Natalie! How do I mute my microphone?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:you have muted it!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes (RySG):Welcome Holly.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:if it has the red line through it, you are correctly muted</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Patrick Lenihan:I just figured it out...! :-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:well done :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes (RySG):Welcome Stuart</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Grace Mutung'u (Kenya):Is there a way to test the mic without interrupting others?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> kannan.ganapathy:hi . nathalie .</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Kannan</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sanjeev Gupta:Kannan, sorry, no</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Grace, no, but if you stay on at the end of the call, we can test it. Others are welcome to stay on too to test their AC microphones if desired</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Grace Mutung'u (Kenya):ok. thanks Nathalie!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Pleasure!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:when done introducing yourself, please lower your hand</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:can't hear him</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:volume way to low</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Amr Elsadr:Audio breaking up.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Maybe tell him (and all) to look at the chat?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Holy +1</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Holly even</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:sorry</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Patrick Lenihan:Natalie, I am on my SOI page. Where do I click to update it?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Michele - the first version is rather nice</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Amr Elsadr:Wow..., 81 folks in the AC room. Who knew WHOIS was so popular?! :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Patrick, you can go here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/cYLg">https://community.icann.org/x/cYLg</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:and choose to edit your OLD SOI</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Patrick Lenihan:Thanks! :-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:no audio...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Liz, there is AC audio on my side.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Please dial into the audio bridge passcode RDS alternatively</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:shall we all introduce ourselves ?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:member list <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986659">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986659</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:LOL Michele</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:or any law enforcement organisations?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Michel - GREAT question</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:We are clearly spending too much time together Michele...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes (RySG):Good question Michele</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:Definde "Data protection authority"</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nick Shorey - UK Gov:Hi Michele - I am connected into the UK Gov Data Protection department</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Sorry - Michele</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks for that Michele (and Stephanie). :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:TPD?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Nick - good :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:Tada Protection Dauthority</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ all those with questions regarding the AC audio, please refer to the recording of the Communication Tools Classroom session held yesterday:<a href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p6u24vz3ot3/">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p6u24vz3ot3/</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:Susan...I can't see law enforcement representatives? Maybe someone knows that group?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:90 minutes if fine</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sanjeev Gupta:No</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:90 mintues sounds good.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> wseltzer:I will be unable to stay past 60</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:90 min calls are fine...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Tapani Tarvainen:90 min is ok</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:seems reasonable</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nick Shorey - UK Gov:@Susan - I also feed into UK gov depts responsible for Public Safety (including LEA)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Férdeline:90 minutes is fine</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Lance:Seems a bit long, but I guess if we need it!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Krishna Kumar Rajamannar:90 works perfect</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marc Anderson:Agreed, 60 minutes is not enough. 90 seems reasonable.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Aarti Bhavana:Sounds good.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:weekly or every two weeks?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Grace Mutung'u (Kenya):90 is okay</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Zuan Zhang (Peter Green):Agree 90 min</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Allison Nixon:i have a scheduling conflict and cannot stay past 60</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:90 fine. Better than 2 x 60 per week.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Liz there is prepresntation from the GAC Public Safety Group but we can do more outreach there</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:90 minutes to start with</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Greg Mounier:Hi Liz, I'm also from LE - Europol</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ben Anderson:90 is fine</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Richard Padilla:90 mins will be fine</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Agree with Alan - better than 2 X 60 minutes</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:Susan, on the timing of the calls, is there any possibility to rotate the calls or just stay with one weekly timeslot. I have a colleague from Australia on this call and it is 3am for him.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kal Feher:that graph appears to be a little old. please note that I'm UTC +10</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:frequency - lets get started and if we dont need the full 90 minutes then that is fine.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:+1 Jennifer - I don't know why we need 90 minutes either</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kal Feher:every second week</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lori:I would prefer bi-weekly until after Marrakech</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:@Kahl - yes, please note that this graphic reflects the status of two days ago. We will update it following this meeting.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Adrian Cheek:Bi weekly</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:90 every week is a bit much</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Agree with Jennifer - some of us are around UTC + 11</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Iliya Bazlyankov:+1 Jennifer</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sanjeev Gupta:First meeting after a week, after that every 2 weeks</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:The number of meetings depends on the work program. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ben Anderson:agree with Jennifwer</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:every 2 weeks</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Aarti Bhavana:I agree. CCWG is having bi-weekly calls, so that's quite hectic. Like the idea of having a call every 2 weeks.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Férdeline:that would be extremely useful, Alan</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:I think the new people should read the background materials.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Lance:Love the tutorial idea!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Grace Mutung'u (Kenya):thank you, I was about to ask for a background tutorial</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> A Raheja:Every two weeks !</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Aarti Bhavana:+1 Alan</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:i dont think it is the responsibility of the PDP WG</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Beth Allegretti:I like the idea of a tutorial and calls every other week to start.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nick Shorey - UK Gov:@Alan - some historical context may be beneficial to participants - though we should allow it to bind us to old ideas</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:if majority agrees, then I would limit it to one session..</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:Michele, I am very sure I will say something in the near future that you can disagree with!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:There is an excellent issues document.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lori:Complex and contentious -- 2 of our favorite things</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Elaine Pruis - Donuts:+1 let's get everyone up to speed</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:i suggest bi-weekly meetings and when activity builds could call for an additional meeting as issues demand</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali: I do think there is a lot of good material to read out there, as has been linked in the emails. Just one 'tutorial' should be okay, but the best way to learn is to do it!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:"determining if and why a next-generation Registration Directory Service (RDS) is needed to replace WHOIS, and then..."</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:A bit of time spent now may save a LOT of time later.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:I could volunteer to help with the introductory session...happy to buddy up with a new person to give information/background/</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:fine</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:pardon me not bi-weekly meetings now but forthnightly </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:All background materials are listed here</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986688">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56986688</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman::-) Chuck</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:The WHOIS RT report and other key inputs are here</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/Additional+Key+Inputs">https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/Additional+Key+Inputs</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:It might also be useful to include my dissent to the EWG report.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Steph it is</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Lisa!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:We *could* spend six months, but I was suggesting 1 or 2 sessions...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:For those interested in particular questions, there are also cross-references of inputs to each question here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/Questions">https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/Questions</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:+1 on dissent, was a very concise and useful read</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:An annotated bibibliography with links would be a wonderful tool</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Great - recommend Whois Review Team materials be part of the briefings to come</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:The dissent is important to read.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Lance:Yes please! I am a big fan of the tutorial session idea. I have tried to read the documents but a lot of the materials are very dense.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:Is this the EWG Dissent we are referring to?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:sorry - can't make out what he's saying</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:audio is very unclear</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Aarti Bhavana:Can't hear clearly, Kannan</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:All of the EWG member statements, including Stephanie's diseent, are linked to the above wiki pages - both the background materials page and per question pages</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:You are all invited to have a look at these pages and let us know if there is anything missing.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:Given Donna and Holly's comments on time zones and Australia, it is interesting that Australia at UTC+11 is not even on the chart being displayed.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Otieno Antony:Please type your comment here Kanna, audio not clear. thanks.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> kannan.ganapathy:we will discuss on weekly basis as well as set up the team</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:90 every week is a bit rough</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:Not compared to the 2 and 3 hour calls for other meetings.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kal Feher:rotating times would be useful</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Grace Mutung'u (Kenya):rotating time zones is a good idea</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:IT's Australia Day today! You can't ignore the Australians!!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Otieno Antony:Since we have critical issues at hand, I reckon 90 weekly is better. It spreads the risks and load.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Shweta Kshirsagar:Could we have a schedule table indicating on which date and times in the month the calls will happen?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:I signed up a while ago - and have been Australia for more than a couple of days!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stuart Clark:Rotation has the possible downside of fragmenting discussion</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stuart Clark:If people can't make all times</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:@Liz, actually, to reinforce time zone issues, Australia day is the 26th, which was YESTERDAY there.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kal Feher:many of us are on other WGs as well. once a week is a significant additional commitment</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:David Cake has also signed up and is in Oz as well...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:Stuart: if you do not rotate in some manner you disenfranchise those that are always disadvantaged by the time.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:Rotating might work wel for a webniar, but for a WG OF THIS nature wont that impact negatively on continuity in discussions. How would voting be conducted?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Lawrence - WGs don't vote</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:unless we have to ..</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:but it's not normal for a WG to vote</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:@Lawrence, rotating does not mean you skip meetings regularly. It just means the times change so not evey meeting is convenient or inconvenient.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:thanks for that clarification</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stuart Clark:@Donna, I agree rotation is probably for the best, but just calling out a possible issue to consider</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Otieno Antony:We also have to be conscious with the time zone. I wasn't able to attend yesterday's call because the time zone set the time to past midnight.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:@Alan, thanks for the info</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:Unfortunately, there will always be someone up after midnight. Rotation is the only fair way to do this.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Chuck - why is this restricted to GNSO?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lori:I strongly support rotation of times.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Zuan Zhang (Peter Green):support rotation of time zones.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:@Susan K: do you maintain a role as Liaison for this WG to the GNSO Council?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:She is</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:the co-chair structure of the PPSAI was very effective so I support Chuck's proposal. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Norbert Komlan GLAKPE:I'm in support of the lesdership structer poposed by Chuck</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:+1</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:But it IS exclusion of non-GNSO if it is accepted, and that was my point.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> kannan.ganapathy:make a standard time.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:Perhaps the easiest way to make decisions about the Leadership Group is to seek volunteers for that group and then have that group come up with its working structure. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> kannan.ganapathy:i am against the rotaion time</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nick Shorey - UK Gov:I like a small leadership group, but agree with Liz William's suggestion that an outside individual will also support balance and inclusivity</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:Thanks Nick...so if the group agrees then I suggest people send in their willingness to do the work for the group. If there are too many people then we can just have a simple election.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Otieno Antony:The WG Leadership structure should basically depend on the workload we expect to have. I think we should break down the expected workloads and structure the leadership based on that.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Zuan Zhang (Peter Green):We can learn from the leadership structure of CCWG. There is no limitation to affiliation.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kal Feher:I think it might be useful for newer participants to understand what a leadership role entails. it is more administrative than outcome influencing</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:@ Donna -- great but just work it up to five so we can spread it across timezones and expertise.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Donna +1</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> kannan.ganapathy:@Donna, well said , accept the same</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:@Chuck, I'm not sure this exercise lends itself to being one side or another, I think there are more sides to this challenge.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Chuck - agree with your explanation - that goes beyond GNSO, but agree with the need for different viewpoints -AND background in this issue</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:@chuck, but I do agree that there should be diversity in the Leadership Team.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:+1 agree with the need for diversity</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Férdeline:@Liz Can I just clarify something please? You would like the leadership team to be split across timezones? I support the concept of the team being comprised of those with differing expertise, but I don't see
the timezone of these members as being overly relevant?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Howdy everybody. My apologies for late join.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:And it was a helluva time getting a response from the room too!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:+1 Ayden</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:@ Ayden ... not necessarily as I totally agree with Donna on qualifications and expertise. I was just making the point that whoever does the job really needs to be able to devote enormous amounts of time and energy
and support of ICANN staff.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Hi Carlton</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Bram Fudzulani:+1 Ayden</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Hiya Holly</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Richard Padilla:Hey Carlton Richard here in UK how you doing we met at Marriot in August</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Liz Williams:lost audio Susan...could you repeat please?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Zuan Zhang (Peter Green):How about a Chair with two co-Chairs, without limitation of affiliation?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Liz, we can dial out to you, please provide your nr</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Hiya Richard. Of course, my Trini colleague</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Liz, will do call for volunteers and decide in 2 weeks time (at weekly call in 2 weeks)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Richard Padilla:Yup will be back home in March I signed up to make sure I can keep myself busy was a little suprised to be a member but looking forward to listening and watching the disscusion to come</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Howdy Lisa P. Happy to see you supporting here</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:+1 Chuck - and where they hail from in Community</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Carlton howdy</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Richard: Happy to see the Caribbean participation. We working towarsds critical mass</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:I'm a dirty filthy European registrar - what more do I need to declare?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:@Michele, maybe EWG member?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:+1 Holly</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Holly +1</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Richard Padilla:@Carlton we have to we cannot continue be voiceless</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Kathy - fair point</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:Are we agreed on two co-chairs and 2 vice-chairs</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:yes</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:and now looking for volunteers into this</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:good question</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Michele: I would even consider supporting even you, the "xxx little European registrar" for leadership! :-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Dick Leaning:i agree that it would be ggod to have an EWG as part of the supreme leaders</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:what is the structure we are seeking to put together?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:I'm unsure EWG would be the best choice for suprememe leaders given the 1st question we must consider</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:makes sense, add it as a question</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Michael: I would suggest you look closely at the EWG personailities. For theree are a few from experience I think would be eminently qualified.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:@Dick, the question is, which one? :-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Michael - this is supposed to be following on from EWG so we need at least an awareness of EWG debates and outcome</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Dick Leaning:@Stephaine - i suppose that will become clear once we know who puts their hand up</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Holly: As usual, you see the issue clearly +1</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Otieno Antony:Suppose, we request for an expressions of interest for a chair's position, review them and appoint, then add other roles as need arises...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:EWG - Stephanie, Susan, Carlton and I all bear the scars</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:As does Lisa Phifer</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes (RySG):EWG - Also Scott Hollenbeck</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Michele - Rod is also a member of thiis WG</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Didn't realise he was in here</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:or Rod</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:ok - so most of the EWG are logged in :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Aaah Lisa got it first! </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:First thing I did was scan the list of attendees....was VERY pleased to see the EWG representation</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Carlton - at least one observer as well (Lanre)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Lisa: Niiice. Howdy Lanre</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Are participants in the PPSAI/Whois Conflicts welcome as observers to the august EWG veterans?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan Kawaguchi:definitely Holly we need all points of view and experience!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Holly: Everytime and everyone!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Matter of fact some from the EWG cross-populate that WG as well</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Carlton - maybe we should talk about the larger group of Whois veterans</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:Need to drop off the call -- have a good day all.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Amr Elsadr:Bye Donna.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Holly: Exactly. THis one needs that long term view for the long haul vision to emerge with a reasonable possibility of full consensus on all points!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Holly - I was on both PPSAI + Whois Conflicts . ..</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:I think I need a hobby</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Michele - I always assumed you'd be part of the discussion</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Michele: You have one!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels::-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Amr Elsadr:@Michele: PPSAI + Whois Conflicts + EWG = an impressive rap sheet. ;-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michael Haffely:I participated in the ALSC</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Just a question - but some of the functional stuff needs to be related to EWG recommendations - thus the RDAP issues</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Holly, yes, RDAP requirements would fall under one of the phase 1 questions</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Lisa - I hope so - it was a wrroy that RDAP featuresfor gated acess might be listed as voluntry</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:sorry for misspellings</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Holly, RDAP actually appears in two places in phase 1 process - under data elements (for mapping to protocols) and the protocol needs themselves under system modeling</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Lisa - agree</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Holly: Not a chance. Gated access was predicated on the availability of a protocol sufficient to manage it going in and coming out. Scott Hollenbeck was lead in the EWG team that considered this with Lanre,
Michele and myself.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:ICANN is currently trying to move forward with the adoption of RDAP without the policy being in place</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:..and we certainly agreed this was a necessary requirement for policy development</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:which means that you have a system that will allow for even more abuse of registrant privacy</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:without any policy</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:with a policy you could place restrictions on data mining etc</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ MIchele - that was the problem. RDAP will comply with existing policy, as it should, BUT if EWG recommendations on gated access become policy, one hopes RADP functionality for gated access would be available</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Michele, sounds like a potential requirement (policy to guide protocol implementation)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Michtele: I can tell you the ALAC is very much aware and has weighed in here.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:@Michele, that sounds like a real problem for registrars and the community</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Holly - and don't forget the migration from thin to thick ..</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Michele - agree - yet another piece to a fairly big puzzle</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Amr - for example of alternative outreach methods used by EWG, see<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/EWG/EWG+Public+Research+Page">https://community.icann.org/display/EWG/EWG+Public+Research+Page</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:+ 1 Susan agree</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:@Susan: Yes to Mind Map by staff</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Iliya Bazlyankov:+1, agree</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Do we all miss Mikey?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:Can you hear the current speaker ?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:seems like connection is bad on on side or another</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:Correct Susan</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Farell, audio seems ok for me.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:The Whois Review Team also had recommendations on alternative outreach methods - and recommended we make sure to do special outreach in this area as it involves many parties not generally involved in ICANN processes</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Amr Elsadr:@Lisa: Thnx for that..., and thanks to Marika for the answer. I was also wondering wether or not outreach for input beyond the traditional PCPs requires notification of the chartering organization. The EWG wasn't
chartered by the GNSO Council, so I'm not sure if there are different requirements.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Theo Geurts:We will need a big room at ICANN 55....</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes (RySG):I assume there will be remote access in Marrakech</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:Remote participation facilities will also be available for those not planning to be in Marrakech in persoon.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jennifer Standiford:thanks susan and icann staff members</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:rightio ciao</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes (RySG):Thanks all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Janay McWhorter:will a webinar provided for those unable to attend the in-person meeting?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:Will likely have conflict with Marrakech meeting time</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Krishna Kumar Rajamannar:Thank You! :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Carlton Samuels:Thanks all. Seems we're off to a great start</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alan Greenberg:Thansk!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Bram Fudzulani:Started with 85 participants finished with 76</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:bye all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Patrick Anglin:Bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan Prosser:thanks.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Zuan Zhang (Peter Green):Thank you, bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Aarti Bhavana:Thanks, bye all!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Luc Seufer:Bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Férdeline:Thank you, Susan, for chairing this meeting today</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:looking forward to it! bye everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Shweta Kshirsagar:Could we have a schedule table for the calls?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Bram Fudzulani:bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:ok</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Iliya Bazlyankov:Thanks and bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:Thanks and well off to a good start. bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Richard Padilla:@carlton Laters</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Norbert Komlan GLAKPE:thanks and bye</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Stephanie Perrin:thanks all!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maryan Rizinski:Thanks everyone and bye</div>
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panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoPlainText, li.MsoPlainText, div.MsoPlainText
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Plain Text Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
p
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
span.PlainTextChar
{mso-style-name:"Plain Text Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Plain Text";
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle20
{mso-style-type:personal-compose;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style></div>
</div>
</span>
</body>
</html>