<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks Steve<div><br></div><div>We do agree that there is a timing disconnect between implementation of the RDAP features that support differentiated access and policy development to address that issue. I imagine that is one of the big issues for Phase One. </div><div><br></div><div>Holly</div><div><br><div><div>On 1 Feb 2016, at 8:38 am, Metalitz, Steven <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks Holly. The IPC has also commented on the draft RDAP operational profile but contrary to ALAC’s position. See the following excerpt: <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: 0.5in;"><span>“Section II of the public comment notice (see<a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rdap-profile-2015-12-03-en" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rdap-profile-2015-12-03-en</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>) notes that one ICANN advisory committee has insisted that the RDAP profile “must include the feature set that will support differentiated access” to domain name registration data. IPC supports ICANN’s response to this, that including such a requirement in the RDAP profile is premature, “[g]iven the ongoing discussions and work in the community on differentiated access.” While it is correct that RDAP “does allow for differentiated access for those that have contracts that permit such a service, or in the event a consensus policy on differentiated access is completed,” the development of such a policy is still at an early phase. The PDP working group on Registry Directory Services is still in the process of formation, and it will be some time before there is any consensus policy on whether differentiated access will be a required feature of any new Registration Data Directory Service (RDDS) for gTLDs, and if so the particulars of such a requirement. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: 0.5in;"><span>Throughout the development of RDAP, there has been a clear distinction made between the development of a replacement<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>technical</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>protocol that could enable differentiated access, and the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>policy</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>decision as to whether and if so under what circumstances that technical capability would be deployed. IPC commends ICANN for maintaining that vital distinction in this draft proposal. As the public comment notice states, “once/if there is a consensus policy or some contractual provision allowing for differentiated access in RDP, the profile could be updated as needed.” Indeed, the draft RDAP profile specifically refers to the capability to redact some data “[I]f permitted or required by an ICANN agreement provision ,waiver, or Consensus Policy.” Section 1.4.11.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However, I am pleased to see that the ALAC and IPC submissions on the companion notice regarding Thick Whois are very much in sync! See<a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdds-output-03dec15/msg00002.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdds-output-03dec15/msg00002.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> and <a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdds-output-03dec15/msg00003.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdds-output-03dec15/msg00003.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steve Metalitz<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Holly Raiche<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 31, 2016 2:56 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>; Gomes, Chuck<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Search Engines Indexing RDAP Server Content<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Thanks Chuck<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">This is a very important component of the overall move to update the Whois protocol and the various policies associated with it. ALAC has specifically commented on this, concluding with the following:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><i>Therefore, while existing ICANN policies do not now require differentiated access to DNRD, it is clear from Board decisions and EWG recommendations that future ICANN policies will likely have that requirement. </i><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><i>The Operational Profile of RDAP, therefore, should include an obligation on all gTLD registries and registrars that the basic functionality will support an authentication and authorisation framework.</i><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><i>Specifically, the features to allow differentiated access must be required now, as part of this protocol – even if at this stage all access seekers will be in one class - the public. In that way, when differentiated access requirements are imposed, protocol features will already be deployed to provide such access.</i><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Holly<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">On 1 Feb 2016, at 2:03 am, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">+1<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; 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text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</span></a>>, Scott Hollenbeck <<a href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">shollenbeck@verisign.com</span></a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Search Engines Indexing RDAP Server Content<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For those who are not aware, there is a comment period currently underway that has just been extended to February 15 regarding a proposed implementation of RDAP:<a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rdap-profile-2015-12-03-en" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rdap-profile-2015-12-03-en</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I encourage you to express your concerns in this comment period if you haven’t already done so.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Carlton Samuels<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:13 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Hollenbeck, Scott<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Search Engines Indexing RDAP Server Content</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Hollenbeck, Scott <<a href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">shollenbeck@verisign.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">It's also an important data point in the discussion about deploying RDAP services before policies are in place that allow operators to take advantage of the new features provided by RDAP. Deploying RDAP with the same policies associated with WHOIS gives us the same problems associated with WHOIS.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Totally agree.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">-Carlton</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br>==============================<br>Carlton A Samuels<br>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><i><span style="color: rgb(51, 204, 0);">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</span></i><br>=============================<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">_______________________________________________<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: purple;">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span></a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>