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<div class="">I wonder if we can turn this discussion around. There is a flavour of exclusion and insider-ness here which I think does us a disservice. It is clear from the comprehensive interest in the subject that we have many people from all kinds of situations
whose experience, input and knowledge is valuable.</div>
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<div class="">Could I suggest that we aim to develop and encourage new approaches, new views and different voices? They illustrate our inclusiveness, our transparency and they build interest and resilience in ICANN as an international institution. Our final
policy recommendations are stronger for that inclusiveness that recognises differences of opinions. Having said that, it would be a volunteer with a brave heart and foolish courage who has little background in either the GNSO or the subject that would attempt
to take on a large, long term, contentious workload which will present many challenges that does require legacy knowledge.</div>
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<div class="">I would be happy to volunteer to buddy up with anyone who would like some help to navigate the subject matter and processes that structure our work. I am sure others would be happy to do that too. The staff did a super job of providing an excellent
tutorial this week but I think we need more than that…we need people to link with people to create constructive dialog.</div>
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<div class="">And then for the leadership team, the big challenge will be to demonstrate objectivity and clarity, whatever affiliation they have, to steer the work. I hope that we turn to that work soon…that is the most critical thing we have in front of us.</div>
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<div class="">PS And I would suggest that we leave it to the leadership group to decide who “leads” it…all of us are capable of leading but I think we need to take into account such a large group with such diverse interests over multiple timezones and cultures.
I suspect that the best option may be to rotate that leadership task around to prevent expected burn out, to ensure that we are developing leadership capability, that we play to people’s strengths and interests, without getting bogged down in who comes from
where before we put our shoulders to the policy wheel.</div>
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on some of the questions posed. So its not so much that experience and understanding of the landscape is necessary to be polled, but that to make a fully informed decision will take longer than the 2 weeks that the PDP has been running so far.</div>
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when they are known to have affiliations and sometimes business relationships with parties with commercial and legal interests at stake in the RDS discussions, until we get the basics such as these things correct its hard to take an informed decision on the
need or want to take an independent member of the working group into a leadership role that is not GNSO affiliated. </div>
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process. And even if one feels the need to be independent we offer open membership to non-affiliated persons and they are considered fully during all dissuasions and decision making efforts. However at the core of the PDP is the fact that it is the GNSOs mission
to create gTLD policy through its PDP, and that that role sits firmly with the GNSO not with the other ACs and Sos.</div>
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<div class="">I am likely going to open myself up to some backlash here but I am of the opinion that we cannot allow GNSO policy development to be led by other parts of the ICANN ecosphere, the role of the GNSO is diluted when we do so and results in a GNSO
that is not performing the self-control that it needs to do in order to fulfil its own mission. In particular when it comes to AC’s participating in leadership roles on a PDP like this I feel that it in some way violates the system of checks and balances that
ICANN is formed on, AC’s such as ALAC an the GAC have the opportunity to provide advice to the board when the results of GNSO PDPs come for consideration by the ICANN board, to wish to lead those same PDPs I feel takes two bites from the apple, and given that
ALAC and At-Large members are free to participate in the policy development process as decisional members I think that adding leadership roles to that dynamic complicates things massively.</div>
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<div class="">TL;DR: Its the GNSOs role in ICANN to produce policy for gTLDs therefore this needs to be a GNSO led process with open and collaborative membership.</div>
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<div class="">Experience should certainly be a matter of importance when determining who should be in leadership roles, but to suggest it should also be required for something as simple as voting on who should be in those roles, based on pretty straightforward
and comprehensible principles, I find a bit dangerous. It inhibits participation based on…prior participation, which can become a slippery slope.</div>
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followed by a second poll later this week which will allow WG members to indicate which candidates they would like to endorse for the leadership team. To participate in the poll, please go to <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://s.zoomerang.com/r/RDSPDPWGleadership" class="">https://s.zoomerang.com/r/RDSPDPWGleadership</a>.
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