<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">FWIW, the EWG's mandate was to examine and on the balance of facts, make 'green field' recommendations for registration data, here forward.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">-Carlton</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><br>==============================<br>Carlton A Samuels<br>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><i><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i><br>=============================</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Greg Aaron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank">gca@icginc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-8860695556971947874__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The EWG final report gets closer, but it:<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Details what elements the EWG recommended be mandatory <i>in the future</i>, not whether they are mandatory or optional at this time.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">AFAIK does not list all of the data elements that are currently collected. (Such as Account Holder data.)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lists purposes for which data is collected, with good detail. But then the display issues are a separate matter.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One of the problems with the EWG report is that its recommendations are tied to one highly specific implementation (the ARDS) in a way that is sometimes difficult to disambiguate.
SSAC commented about that in SAC061. The EWG report is predicated on a system that provides gated access
<i>and</i> holds all gTLD data in one master, central repository. Whether those ideas are good ones or not is something to discuss down the line.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Greg Aaron
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 24, 2016 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Holly Raiche' <<a href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net" target="_blank">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next week's meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Holly:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As a co-author of SAC054, I note the following. You said that SAC054 identifies “not only the data elements collected, but the purpose for which they are collected, and identify
whether the collection is optional or mandatory.” <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1. SAC054 does not list all of the data elements that are collected. It lists what is usually displayed in gTLD WHOIS. Registrars collect some data that is not displayed
in WHOIS, and that data is not listed in SAC054. For example: account holder data (which may be different from Registrant data), and the IP addresses of these making domain transactions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2. SAC054 does not list all the purposes for which data is collected. SAC054 focuses narrowly on data elements used to manage the domain lifecycle and operations. In other
words, some operational purposes, and there may be other purposes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3. SAC054 does not identify whether the collection of a given piece of data is optional or mandatory.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> SAC054 says: "This document contains an enumeration of commonly used data elements. It is not a list or recommendation of which elements are or should be mandatory
versus optional. Some technical specifications (notably the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) RFCs) denote certain data elements as mandatory to collect, and ICANN gTLD contracts make certain fields mandatory to display in directory services.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">With best wishes,<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class="">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Holly Raiche<span class=""><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 24, 2016 1:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Next week's meeting<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I am apology for the next meeting, and not part of either the Privacy or Purpose sub-teams, may I suggest two documents particularly that have been identified and summarised by the data sub team: the SAC54 document which identifies
the data elements collected, and the EWG Recommendations. (in our list of documents, items 6 and 27) They are particularly relevant as they identify not only the data elements collected, but the purpose for which they are collected, and identify whether the
collection is optional or mandatory. This will be particularly useful for the other groups since the underlying principle of data collection in that data should only be collected that that is needed to carry out the functions of the enterprise, and that the
data that is collected should only be used and accessed for the identified purposes. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I will not be on the next call, Jim Galvin may be on the call, and he was one of the authors of SAC054 and can speak to it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope that helps the discussion at the next meeting.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22 Apr 2016, at 3:57 am, Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">15.30 – 16.15 UTC Data Sub-Team <u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal">
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