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I want to support strongly the observations made by Stephanie. In
our case legal advise is not an art form that is based on solid
foundations but the shifting sands of personal and corporate
interests. Legal observations should inspire our conversation but
not guide us. We should in our deliberations not be limited by legal
arguments but our solutions should be tested by legal standards
after we come up with some conclusions and recommendations. Yes,
lets park some of the questions in an legal parking lot and you will
also see that some cars parked are after some weeks have been deemed
obsolete.<br>
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Beware of billable hours!<br>
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Klaus<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/27/2016 4:34 AM, Stephanie Perrin
wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree whole
heartedly, and although I am not at liberty to discuss what
the EWG did with respect to legal analysis, I believe I may
say that in my view it was very inadequate. We need a very
balanced legal analysis from many perspectives, and in my
view until we bring in legal experts from places like the
Council of Europe and the data protection authorities, we
will not have done the job. Outside counsel in the privacy
field, if I may say, would not be sufficient, as most
lawyers practicing in this area are what we refer to as
privacy goalies, defending their clients from possible
complaints and attack. Even selecting legal scholars could
be fraught with controversy, but we certainly need
representation from this group as well. Further
complicating factors are that for the next couple of years,
many billable hours are to be had as Europe figures out how
to implement the Data Protection Regulation, and the
upcoming electronic communications privacy
directive...getting volunteers for this committee might be
tough when there are so many business opportunities for
privacy lawyers.<span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span>
Perhaps it might be useful if we set up a parking lot for
legal questions, so that we have a fulsome set of issues to
discuss when it comes time to create a legal forum. I have
a few already.....</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-04-26 20:59, Greg Aaron
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This note is especially directed to the
WG leaders. I am wondering at what point the Working Group
secures legal support. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Our current round of document review
reminds me of how complex the legal issues are -- including
privacy and data protection law, law enforcement, contracts,
and legal jurisdictions. There is the expectation that our
WG will make policies designed to address various legal
problems and requirements, and that those policies will be
in place for years to come. So it is imperative that we get
things right. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The WG has access to a number of
documents, and the WG has some fine legal experts on it, but
this may not be enough. Our legal-eagle members hail from
certain jurisdictions, and there may be gaps in their
geographic expertise. They also have day jobs and as
volunteers may not be able to do all the lifting and
research that may eventually be needed. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I also see gaps in the ICANN processes to
date, and therefore in the resulting documents. In 2012 the
WHOIS Policy Review Team laid out some of the legal issues,
but it was not for that group to analyze the issues and
potential solutions in any depth. Then the EWG proposed a
specific solution, but provided fairly little in the way of
legal analysis and justification, and it is unclear what
legal advice the EWG received, beyond a memo prepared by
the ICANN legal staff. For example, the EWG report doesn’t
even contain a reference to EU Article 29.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The IANA transition was another
complicated issue, and the transition CWG received dedicated
assistance in the form of neutral outside legal counsel. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am curious about whether the RDS WG
leadership has given thought to this issue, and how to
manage it over time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--Greg Aaron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">P.S.: Legal support also strikes me as an
excellent use of the nTLD application and auction proceeds
…although I suppose that’s another matter!<o:p></o:p></p>
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