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I have been traveling and this is a short late response to Michele's
comments, all of which I agree with and have always agreed with in
terms of the "interests of interested parties".<br>
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The one-note drum I have been beating here is that in the final
analysis what gets collected, where it is stored, and what the
privacy and access rights are for various parties will be determined
for the most part outside the ring fence remit within which ICANN
operates. Those rights, restrictions and obligations will be
strongly determined by the national and regional polices of the
entities (countries, EU,..and multilateral treaties, etc.) where
registries, registrars, and ISP have their corporate existence, and
where they wish to continue to do their business. <br>
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Sam <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font color="#660000">On 5/11/2016 6:38
PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">Just
my personal thoughts on some of this, as one of “the
Irish” .. and also one of the people who raised the
legalities etc.,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">An
important point to note.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">There
is a big difference between data collection and data
publication, as has been noted by others in relation to a
variety of subjects that have been discussed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">The
current whois is problematic for some actors as there are
no proper controls over who has access to the data – it’s
basically an “all or nothing” system.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">While
some people may wish to argue that too much data is
collected, or that the data is used in ways for which it
wasn’t originally intended, the key point is that people
and organisations have developed legitimate reasons for
wanting to access the data and for using it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">Whether
I personally like every valid use of registration data or
not isn’t important, what is important is that there are
valid purposes that exist “out there” which cannot be
completely ignored.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">So
when discussing any potential replacement for the current
whois it is important to take note of many valid uses of
registration data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">We
cannot discount them and ignore them completely.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">However
how much and which data should be made public to everyone
without any access controls is another matter entirely.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
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a more technical angle on this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-IE">In
the case of nameservers, you would not be able to do a
zone transfer from our primary nameservers, as that access
is restricted. If, however, you were on a whitelist of
some kind ie. we “trusted” you, then you could get that
kind of access.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#660000"><span
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Michele<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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