<p dir="ltr">Hello Chuck,</p>
<p dir="ltr">It is already ok on my side.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Best Regards<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.</p>
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going over the latest version of the ‘</span><b>Possible approach to consensus in deliberation of possible requirements for RDS PDP WG</b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">’ that I sent out about 3.5 hours before
the WG meeting. As stated in the meeting, our goal is to ensure that the full WG is supportive of the approach before the Helsinki meetings. If we do not receive any strong objections by Friday, we will assume that we can proceed with this approach. Note
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathalie Peregrine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:42 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call 22 June 2016 105:00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chuck Gomes:Welcome to your first WG call Maxim.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:Hello all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:not hearing anything, is that just me or is there nothing going on yet?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:It's a TERRIFIC time for the call<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:1 am for those of us in Toronto, Hi Sana!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):my SOI <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maxim+Alzoba+SOI" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maxim+Alzoba+SOI</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:This document, and all others referenced during this call, can be found here:<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:@Stephanie purpose is one of the "big three" identified as the first topic of discussion in task 12<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:The foundational question of whether a new one is needed is after public comment on the first initial report<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:Those are purposes of the data, not purpose of the collection use and dsiclosure of registration data, a far more fundamental question.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:Thanks Holly, I had indeed not seen it as I have been driving for 5 hours and I am taking this don't text and drive thing seriously.....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:I still have outstanding requirements to send in.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:Let me make a suggestion, recognizing the huge work already done. Could we have a section on legal requirements that cannot be broken? Such as constitutional requirements for
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:I guess it is a group....recognizing that there are numerous lens one could apply to this<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:In other words, we cannot bury legal requirements in the possible requirements list. Complying with law is not a possible requirement, it is an obligation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it might be a good idea to use "applicable law" as a tag - due to some jurisdictional systems have different areas regulated e.t.c.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):just to mark it as a reason for the question<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden Ferdeline:good point @stephanie - i would like to see both a differentiation in this document between legal obligations and possible requirements<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden Ferdeline:Just a point of clarification, @Holly, an EU directive is a requirement on the member states to achieve a particular result.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:I think that is what I am driving at. Yes, some of us have signed on to both the Cybercrime convention, and convention 108. That becomes a legal obligation then, subject to
applicable derogations, but it should be noted that a significant number of jurisdictions have overriding obligations (which they and their GAC members may or may not be acutely aware of)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie -I understand tha, but the EU Directives are requirements on national entities to enact laws- and my point is that it's too hard to put things into a category call laws
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@ Alex - yes, it will be huge - BUT do we really want obligations (or varying 'binding' nature scatered across categories?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we use legal requirement as a note and not as a group?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden Ferdeline:@Alex yes, this is a good point. we could make our work easier by deciding upon a standard by which to assess whether or not the RDS complies with, say, data privacy laws. we
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:I like that idea Maxim, could add a column to t he table, and this would give that requirement a kind of wild card status<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele Neylon:Applicable laws is saner<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@Maxim - agree<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele Neylon:As an Irish company we aren't going to base anything around Russian law<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:@Maxim, it is possible to sort the list to look at possible requirements that come from a particular source (law)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Michele, that is why I think it is a good idea just to mark thing being caused by some of laws and not to group by it<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:Its a good idea Maxim.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Lisa it differs a lot from jurisdiction to jurisdiction ... different ideas on what to regulate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:@Maxim for example if you want to see all possible requirements from the Africa Union convention, just filter on "D31"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:If you want all from AU plus Ghana + South Africa, filter on D31+D38+D39.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali: applicability based on jurisdiction is not really our place to determine...the outcome is going to be internationally applicable. doesnt matter about russiann or irish law. both are
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:In other words, the coding lets you look at any combo you wish<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Lisa it is more complicated in Russia<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:There are intrinsic TBDF problems though, as for instance an EU citizen can shop globallly and will still be entitled to protection adn the defence of his DPA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:This is why we need to harmonize up, not down<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:yes, agreed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Sana, the issue is, some Registries are outside of US, and thus the local law regulates what is going on there ... and it does not have to be international law ... but
outcome affects users across the globe<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:Quite frankly the problem is that this is a juggernaut, with inherent built in contradictions. Any approach is bound to hit walls, and we need to reserve the right to object
to various pieces when we hit a wall<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:@Maxim, yes i am aware of this. I was responding to Michele about jursidictions being a determining factor in deciding whether laws are a"pplicable" to us or not.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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- I would respectfully suggest, say, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU - and allow for compliance with local laws, where applicable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:I do feel like this working group feels like a round of bumper cars like we used to have at the cheap carnivals...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:Any attempt to approach the problem feels like th rod that tied your car to the ceiling....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden Ferdeline:* where there is a conflict (not where applicable)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Adyen , I am not sure this approach would be seen ok in GAC :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Farell FOLLY:+1 Maxime<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:Nathalie Peregrine: Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@ Maxim - any suggestions?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:certain members of the GAC, eg the observers from the COuncil of Europe, might be more sympathetic. Unfortunately, most GAC delegations do not have privacy and human rights
experts on board.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:well the gac has an opportunity to comment, as do all other so/acs<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Holly - just to use "law" as a tag and not as a group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:should we really pre-empt their comments and shape our work accordingly<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Nathalie Peregrine:Remote Participation for GNSO sessions (and Cross Community sessions) for ICANN56 can be found here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/yCWOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/yCWOAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@ Maxim - completely agree - I think I've already said that<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Marika Konings:correct<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):GAC is more Telecom ministries than Internation Affairs, I think<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@Maxim -there is a cerain logic in that<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thus they might be more focused on technical part of things<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:that's right GAC members are from ministries<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):than on Human rights<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Rod Rasmussen:Week after is 4th of July in US, so lots of folks on vacation then that would be participating anyways, so good call to skip.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:1st of July in Canada<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:;)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Rod Rasmussen:Yep, we did our own "Brexit" a while ago. :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:lol<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:We will find a way to celebrate!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):safe flights<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chris Pelling:oh the brexit fun tmorrow!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:See a lot of you there<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:thank you Maxim and Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie perrin:Good luck on that Chris !<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chris Pelling:see you in Helsinki - safe travels :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:See you next week<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:see you next week!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden Ferdeline:Thank you all. Safe travels to Helsinki<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:thnx<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Farell FOLLY:bye all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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