<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I will take any opportunity I have to agree with Kathy.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with Kathy.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Chuck,</p>
<p>I am objecting. There is a real world going on. Children are
graduating, people are preparing for travel, mothers (and fathers)
are preparing for the upcoming trip. Normally WGs are in a quiet
period this week: they don't put out bold new materials, they
don't hold midnight meetings (or any meetings -- RPM WG canceled
for this week).</p>
<p>So let me be the first to share very strong objections to the
procedural approach -- too much, too fast, too late. I apologize,
but I have to raise this objection for all of us who are indeed
doing this job as volunteers, and have a real world of jobs and
families in the background. <br>
</p>
<p>Let's stop and talk about these dramatic new approaches and new
versions in Helsinki. I strongly object.</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
</p><div><div class="h5">
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<div>On 6/22/2016 9:34 AM, Gomes, Chuck
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">For
those who were unable to participate in the this week’s WG
call, I strongly encourage you listen to the recording
before Friday. We spent a lot of time going over the latest
version of the ‘</span><b>Possible approach to consensus in
deliberation of possible requirements for RDS PDP WG</b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">’
that I sent out about 3.5 hours before the WG meeting. As
stated in the meeting, our goal is to ensure that the full
WG is supportive of the approach before the Helsinki
meetings. If we do not receive any strong objections by
Friday, we will assume that we can proceed with this
approach. Note that there were no objections expressed in
the meeting.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
reattached the latest approach document to make it easy to
review it while listening to the recording.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathalie Peregrine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Mp3, Attendance &
AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call 22 June 2016 105:00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear
All,</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Please
find the attendance of the call attached to this email
and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP
Working group call held on Wednesday, 22 June 2016 at
05:00 UTC.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Adobe
Connect chat transcript for </span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Wednesday</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> 22
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Nathalie
Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the RDS PDP WG call on
Wednesday 22 June 2016 at 5:00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Nathalie
Peregrine:Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen /
Nordreg AB:Morning everyone...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Nathalie
Peregrine:Welcome!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chuck Gomes:Hello
all.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):Hello Everyone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chuck
Gomes:Welcome to your first WG call Maxim.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly
Raiche:Hello all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:not hearing anything, is that just me or is there
nothing going on yet?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:thanks Chuck!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:no<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:not nice<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:It's
a TERRIFIC time for the call<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali::p<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:No and I am at the kids to do baby duty.....so I
will be typing not talking, as if I wake him I it will
be my turn on deck....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:1 am for those of us in Toronto, Hi Sana!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:I'm still on coffee number 1<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:Hello
Stephanie!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele Neylon:My
new Japanese coffee making kit makes a nice coffee
though<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@
Michele - we'llwait til you're on No. 2<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:Good morning all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen /
Nordreg AB: two cups ahead of you Michele<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:yummy coffee <a href="http://www.fat.ie/equipment/kalita-wave-coffee-dripper.html" target="_blank">http://www.fat.ie/equipment/kalita-wave-coffee-dripper.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:@Stephanie is this a new grandchild?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:he is almost 9 months now Susan....still pretty
new though!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:9
months is a fun age!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:and so much more enjoyable as a grandmother!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):my SOI <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maxim+Alzoba+SOI" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maxim+Alzoba+SOI</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden
Ferdeline:hello. can we please have scrolling enabled on
this document. thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Ayden sync is off<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:This
document, and all others referenced during this call,
can be found here:<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden
Ferdeline:gated access<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:When do we figure out the purpose of the RDS and
whether we need a new one?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Stephanie purpose is one of the "big three"
identified as the first topic of discussion in task 12<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:The
foundational question of whether a new one is needed is
after public comment on the first initial report<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:Those are purposes of the data, not purpose of
the collection use and dsiclosure of registration data,
a far more fundamental question.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:data elements<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:yes
important distinction stephanie<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:Thanks Holly, I had indeed not seen it as I have
been driving for 5 hours and I am taking this don't text
and drive thing seriously.....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:very helpful<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:"volun-told"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:I still have outstanding requirements to send in.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:sure<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:Let me make a suggestion, recognizing the huge
work already done. Could we have a section on legal
requirements that cannot be broken? Such as
constitutional requirements for due process and criminal
procedure, human rights obligations, data retention
restrictions, etc etc<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Stephanie, there can certainly be a group for
laws<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:currently we have one "applicable law"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:I guess it is a group....recognizing that there
are numerous lens one could apply to this<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:In other words, we cannot bury legal requirements
in the possible requirements list. Complying with law
is not a possible requirement, it is an obligation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):I think it might be a good idea to use
"applicable law" as a tag - due to some jurisdictional
systems have different areas regulated e.t.c.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):just to mark it as a reason for the question<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:We do have an applicable law group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden
Ferdeline:good point @stephanie - i would like to see
both a differentiation in this document between legal
obligations and possible requirements<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:+1
stephanie<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly
Raiche:Exactly my issue<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden
Ferdeline:Just a point of clarification, @Holly, an EU
directive is a requirement on the member states to
achieve a particular result.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:I think that is what I am driving at. Yes, some
of us have signed on to both the Cybercrime convention,
and convention 108. That becomes a legal obligation
then, subject to applicable derogations, but it should
be noted that a significant number of jurisdictions have
overriding obligations (which they and their GAC members
may or may not be acutely aware of)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@
Stephanie -I understand tha, but the EU Directives are
requirements on national entities to enact laws- and my
point is that it's too hard to put things into a
category call laws when requirements may be more orless
binding<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:I understand Holly, but regionally at least for
the EU, it is useful to summarize via the Directive, and
as long as the EU holds together after Thursday, the
Regulation will clarify a lot.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:wouldn't the realm of all "legal obligations" be
pretty huge? Maybe lets make sure we focus on relevant
laws (??), and dont overwork ourselves.... <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@
Alex - yes, it will be huge - BUT do we really want
obligations (or varying 'binding' nature scatered across
categories?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali: @Alex
lets also not waste our work by lumping things in a way
that obfuscates the importance of certain requirements
over others.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):obligations are relevant to
registries/registrars of that particular jurisdiction
they are based in ... so it is not going to be one size
fits it all\<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):could we use legal requirement as a note and
not as a group?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden
Ferdeline:@Alex yes, this is a good point. we could make
our work easier by deciding upon a standard by which to
assess whether or not the RDS complies with, say, data
privacy laws. we have to start somewhere<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:I like that idea Maxim, could add a column to t
he table, and this would give that requirement a kind of
wild card status<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Applicable laws is saner<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly
Raiche:@Maxim - agree<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele Neylon:As
an Irish company we aren't going to base anything around
Russian law<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Maxim, it is possible to sort the list to look
at possible requirements that come from a particular
source (law)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):@Michele, that is why I think it is a good idea
just to mark thing being caused by some of laws and not
to group by it<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:Its a
good idea Maxim.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):@Lisa it differs a lot from jurisdiction to
jurisdiction ... different ideas on what to regulate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Maxim for example if you want to see all
possible requirements from the Africa Union convention,
just filter on "D31"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:If
you want all from AU plus Ghana + South Africa, filter
on D31+D38+D39.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:
applicability based on jurisdiction is not really our
place to determine...the outcome is going to be
internationally applicable. doesnt matter about russiann
or irish law. both are 'applicable'<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:In
other words, the coding lets you look at any combo you
wish<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):@Lisa it is more complicated in Russia<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:There are intrinsic TBDF problems though, as for
instance an EU citizen can shop globallly and will still
be entitled to protection adn the defence of his DPA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:This is why we need to harmonize up, not down<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:yes,
agreed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):@Sana, the issue is, some Registries are
outside of US, and thus the local law regulates what is
going on there ... and it does not have to be
international law ... but outcome affects users across
the globe<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:Quite frankly the problem is that this is a
juggernaut, with inherent built in contradictions. Any
approach is bound to hit walls, and we need to reserve
the right to object to various pieces when we hit a wall<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:@Maxim,
yes i am aware of this. I was responding to Michele
about jursidictions being a determining factor in
deciding whether laws are a"pplicable" to us or not.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden
Ferdeline:Hi @Maxim. It is not reasonable for us to be
determining what is applicable in each and every
territory. I would suggest that we need to decide on one
standard to comply with - I would respectfully suggest,
say, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU - and
allow for compliance with local laws, where applicable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:I do feel like this working group feels like a
round of bumper cars like we used to have at the cheap
carnivals...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:Any attempt to approach the problem feels like th
rod that tied your car to the ceiling....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden Ferdeline:*
where there is a conflict (not where applicable)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):@Adyen , I am not sure this approach would be
seen ok in GAC :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Farell FOLLY:+1
Maxime<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:Nathalie Peregrine: Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@
Maxim - any suggestions?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:certain members of the GAC, eg the observers from
the COuncil of Europe, might be more
sympathetic. Unfortunately, most GAC delegations do not
have privacy and human rights experts on board.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:well the
gac has an opportunity to comment, as do all other
so/acs<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):@Holly - just to use "law" as a tag and not as
a group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:should
we really pre-empt their comments and shape our work
accordingly<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:(no)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Nathalie
Peregrine:Remote Participation for GNSO sessions (and
Cross Community sessions) for ICANN56 can be found
here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/yCWOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/yCWOAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:@
Maxim - completely agree - I think I've already said
that<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Marika
Konings:correct<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):GAC is more Telecom ministries than Internation
Affairs, I think<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly
Raiche:@Maxim -there is a cerain logic in that<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):thus they might be more focused on technical
part of things<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Daniel K.
Nanghaka:that's right GAC members are from ministries<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):than on Human rights<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Rod
Rasmussen:Week after is 4th of July in US, so lots of
folks on vacation then that would be participating
anyways, so good call to skip.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:1st of
July in Canada<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:;)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Rod
Rasmussen:Yep, we did our own "Brexit" a while ago. :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:lol<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:We will find a way to celebrate!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):safe flights<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chris Pelling:oh
the brexit fun tmorrow!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Holly Raiche:See
a lot of you there<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:thank
you Maxim and Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> stephanie
perrin:Good luck on that Chris !<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Chris Pelling:see
you in Helsinki - safe travels :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen /
Nordreg AB:See you next week<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba
(FAITID):bye all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Daniel K.
Nanghaka:thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Sana Ali:see you
next week!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Ayden
Ferdeline:Thank you all. Safe travels to Helsinki<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:thnx<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Farell FOLLY:bye
all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:ciao<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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