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<div style="font-size: medium;">Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the RDS PDP WG call on Wednesday 22 June 2016 at 5:00 UTC</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Morning everyone...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes:Hello all.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Everyone</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chuck Gomes:Welcome to your first WG call Maxim.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:not hearing anything, is that just me or is there nothing going on yet?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:thanks Chuck!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:no</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:not nice</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:It's a TERRIFIC time for the call</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali::p</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:No and I am at the kids to do baby duty.....so I will be typing not talking, as if I wake him I it will be my turn on deck....</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:1 am for those of us in Toronto, Hi Sana!!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:I'm still on coffee number 1</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:Hello Stephanie!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:My new Japanese coffee making kit makes a nice coffee though</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Michele - we'llwait til you're on No. 2</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:Good morning all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: two cups ahead of you Michele</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:yummy coffee <a href="http://www.fat.ie/equipment/kalita-wave-coffee-dripper.html">http://www.fat.ie/equipment/kalita-wave-coffee-dripper.html</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Stephanie is this a new grandchild?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:he is almost 9 months now Susan....still pretty new though!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan Kawaguchi:9 months is a fun age!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:and so much more enjoyable as a grandmother!!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):my SOI <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maxim+Alzoba+SOI">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maxim+Alzoba+SOI</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:hello. can we please have scrolling enabled on this document. thanks</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Ayden sync is off</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:This document, and all others referenced during this call, can be found here:<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:gated access</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:When do we figure out the purpose of the RDS and whether we need a new one?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Stephanie purpose is one of the "big three" identified as the first topic of discussion in task 12</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:The foundational question of whether a new one is needed is after public comment on the first initial report</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:Those are purposes of the data, not purpose of the collection use and dsiclosure of registration data, a far more fundamental question.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:data elements</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:yes important distinction stephanie</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:Thanks Holly, I had indeed not seen it as I have been driving for 5 hours and I am taking this don't text and drive thing seriously.....</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:very helpful</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:"volun-told"</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:I still have outstanding requirements to send in.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan Kawaguchi:sure</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:Let me make a suggestion, recognizing the huge work already done. Could we have a section on legal requirements that cannot be broken? Such as constitutional requirements for due process and criminal procedure,
human rights obligations, data retention restrictions, etc etc</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Stephanie, there can certainly be a group for laws</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:currently we have one "applicable law"</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:I guess it is a group....recognizing that there are numerous lens one could apply to this</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:In other words, we cannot bury legal requirements in the possible requirements list. Complying with law is not a possible requirement, it is an obligation</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it might be a good idea to use "applicable law" as a tag - due to some jurisdictional systems have different areas regulated e.t.c.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):just to mark it as a reason for the question</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Susan Kawaguchi:We do have an applicable law group</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:good point @stephanie - i would like to see both a differentiation in this document between legal obligations and possible requirements</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:+1 stephanie</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:Exactly my issue</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:Just a point of clarification, @Holly, an EU directive is a requirement on the member states to achieve a particular result.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:I think that is what I am driving at. Yes, some of us have signed on to both the Cybercrime convention, and convention 108. That becomes a legal obligation then, subject to applicable derogations, but it
should be noted that a significant number of jurisdictions have overriding obligations (which they and their GAC members may or may not be acutely aware of)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie -I understand tha, but the EU Directives are requirements on national entities to enact laws- and my point is that it's too hard to put things into a category call laws when requirements may be more
orless binding</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:I understand Holly, but regionally at least for the EU, it is useful to summarize via the Directive, and as long as the EU holds together after Thursday, the Regulation will clarify a lot.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Alex Deacon:wouldn't the realm of all "legal obligations" be pretty huge? Maybe lets make sure we focus on relevant laws (??), and dont overwork ourselves.... </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Alex - yes, it will be huge - BUT do we really want obligations (or varying 'binding' nature scatered across categories?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali: @Alex lets also not waste our work by lumping things in a way that obfuscates the importance of certain requirements over others.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):obligations are relevant to registries/registrars of that particular jurisdiction they are based in ... so it is not going to be one size fits it all\</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we use legal requirement as a note and not as a group?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:@Alex yes, this is a good point. we could make our work easier by deciding upon a standard by which to assess whether or not the RDS complies with, say, data privacy laws. we have to start somewhere</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:I like that idea Maxim, could add a column to t he table, and this would give that requirement a kind of wild card status</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:Applicable laws is saner</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@Maxim - agree</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:As an Irish company we aren't going to base anything around Russian law</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Maxim, it is possible to sort the list to look at possible requirements that come from a particular source (law)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Michele, that is why I think it is a good idea just to mark thing being caused by some of laws and not to group by it</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:Its a good idea Maxim.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Lisa it differs a lot from jurisdiction to jurisdiction ... different ideas on what to regulate</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:@Maxim for example if you want to see all possible requirements from the Africa Union convention, just filter on "D31"</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:If you want all from AU plus Ghana + South Africa, filter on D31+D38+D39.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali: applicability based on jurisdiction is not really our place to determine...the outcome is going to be internationally applicable. doesnt matter about russiann or irish law. both are 'applicable'</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:In other words, the coding lets you look at any combo you wish</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Lisa it is more complicated in Russia</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:There are intrinsic TBDF problems though, as for instance an EU citizen can shop globallly and will still be entitled to protection adn the defence of his DPA</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:This is why we need to harmonize up, not down</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:yes, agreed</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Sana, the issue is, some Registries are outside of US, and thus the local law regulates what is going on there ... and it does not have to be international law ... but outcome affects users across the
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<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:Quite frankly the problem is that this is a juggernaut, with inherent built in contradictions. Any approach is bound to hit walls, and we need to reserve the right to object to various pieces when we hit a
wall</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:@Maxim, yes i am aware of this. I was responding to Michele about jursidictions being a determining factor in deciding whether laws are a"pplicable" to us or not.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:Hi @Maxim. It is not reasonable for us to be determining what is applicable in each and every territory. I would suggest that we need to decide on one standard to comply with - I would respectfully suggest,
say, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU - and allow for compliance with local laws, where applicable.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:I do feel like this working group feels like a round of bumper cars like we used to have at the cheap carnivals...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:Any attempt to approach the problem feels like th rod that tied your car to the ceiling....</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:* where there is a conflict (not where applicable)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Adyen , I am not sure this approach would be seen ok in GAC :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:+1 Maxime</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Lisa Phifer:Nathalie Peregrine: Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw">https://community.icann.org/x/iyCOAw</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Maxim - any suggestions?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:certain members of the GAC, eg the observers from the COuncil of Europe, might be more sympathetic. Unfortunately, most GAC delegations do not have privacy and human rights experts on board.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:well the gac has an opportunity to comment, as do all other so/acs</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Holly - just to use "law" as a tag and not as a group</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:should we really pre-empt their comments and shape our work accordingly</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:(no)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Remote Participation for GNSO sessions (and Cross Community sessions) for ICANN56 can be found here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/yCWOAw">https://community.icann.org/x/yCWOAw</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@ Maxim - completely agree - I think I've already said that</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Marika Konings:correct</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):GAC is more Telecom ministries than Internation Affairs, I think</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:@Maxim -there is a cerain logic in that</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thus they might be more focused on technical part of things</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:that's right GAC members are from ministries</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):than on Human rights</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rod Rasmussen:Week after is 4th of July in US, so lots of folks on vacation then that would be participating anyways, so good call to skip.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:1st of July in Canada</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:;)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Rod Rasmussen:Yep, we did our own "Brexit" a while ago. :-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:lol</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:We will find a way to celebrate!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):safe flights</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:oh the brexit fun tmorrow!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Holly Raiche:See a lot of you there</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:thank you Maxim and Chuck</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> stephanie perrin:Good luck on that Chris !</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Chris Pelling:see you in Helsinki - safe travels :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:See you next week</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:thanks</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Sana Ali:see you next week!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Ayden Ferdeline:Thank you all. Safe travels to Helsinki</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Fabricio Vayra:thnx</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Farell FOLLY:bye all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Michele Neylon:ciao</div>
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