<html><body>My apologies if I sounded as if I want to cut off new documentation. But as Greg says - and I agree, noone will read every word of every document. But of course, if there are new developments that impinge of what we are doing, we need to be aware of that.<br /><br />And of course, we are well before decising who has access to what data and on what terms. The EWG started that discussion. And it is a discussion that must be continued. So Greg and others: I think it is safe to say that data protection laws do apply and will call into question what data is collected, how it is used, and who has access. True - we haven't even started that discussion, so it is premature to say what data will or won't be collected and/or accessed. But it is also safe to say that the current arrangements will be under discussion and debate.<br /><br />Holly <br /><br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc@gmail.com></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>"Volker Greimann" <vgreimann@key-systems.net><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div>"RDS PDP WG" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:45:03 -0400<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The overflowing list (was Re: A new and rather important document with respect to jurisdiction issues)<br /><br /><br /><div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">I agree with Volker on this one -- there should be no cut-off date. More generally, we should stick with the working methods we've agreed to, rather than (repeatedly) re-opening them for discussion, except under truly exceptional circumstances. That </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">In response to Holly, the reason we are distilling and extracting information from these resources is intended to deal with the fact that no one will read every word of every document. I would also resist the urge to focus largely on comments. They are certainly important, but the resource-gathering mission is intended to broaden our horizons beyond the somewhat self-contained world of commenters. Finally, I would say that it is highly conclusory, premature and just plain wrong to flatly claim "<span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;">that the current uses of the data will not be permitted under data protection law,</span>" Even laws against murder have exceptions.... I'll adhere to my own admonition to stick to our working methods and save further discussion on that point for the appropriate phase of our work.</div>
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<br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p>I think we all agreed earlier that there would not be a cut-off
line for new documents. Especially with a long PDP such as this
one, we can expect things in the real world to change, and we
should take note of such changes in our work to ensure we remain
current. <br /></p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker</p>
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<br /><div>Am 1507.2016 um 14:42 schrieb
<a href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>:<br /></div>
<blockquote>A really big plus one for Andrew.<br /><br />
I share concerns wth those who question whether the place to start
is with uses. It implicitly assumes that all of the current
'uses' of the information should continue. General data
protection law strongly suggests otherwise.<br /><br />
However, we are starting with uses - and as long as everyone
realises that the current uses of the data will not be permitted
under data protection law, then let's proceed. And yes, we will
come down to Andrew's fundamental question - what personal
information that is collection should be accessible to all - OR
NOT. And, in the end, I am not sure how much more information we
need. From my perspective, I know I will not have time to read
all of what is on the list already, let alone new stuff. So
maybe let's focus on the information identified in public comment
as the critical information for this issue and start talking about
uses - what of the uses should be maintained, and what - for
strong data protection reasons - should not.<br /><br />
Holly<br /><br /><br /><br /><blockquote>
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Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:10:25 -0400<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The overflowing list (was Re: A new and rather
important document with respect to jurisdiction issues)<br /><br /><br />
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:32:13PM -0400, Stephanie Perrin
wrote:<br />
> May I suggest that we add it to our already overflowing
list of important<br />
> documents?<br /><br />
I don't object, but I'm wondering whether there is really
anything new<br />
in most of the additional documents people are bringing.<br /><br />
It seems to me that we have a fundamental question we're going
to have<br />
to answer. I know that we've decided that now is not the time
for<br />
deliberation, so I don't encourage discussion about this
question.<br />
But I'm decreasingly convinced that more material is going to
help us<br />
come to any decision about balancing the desire of some, on one
side,<br />
to have a lot of personally identifying information about domain
name<br />
registrants; and the desire of others to ensure that such
personally<br />
identifying information is protected on privacy grounds.<br /><br />
We can probably continue to find additional examples of people<br />
insisting they need one or the other of these, but I do not
really see<br />
any way that more evidence that someone really really wants one
of<br />
them (with all the attendant arguments rehearsed) is going to
help us<br />
come to a conclusion.<br /><br />
Best regards,<br /><br />
A<br /><br />
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Andrew Sullivan<br /><a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a><br />
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