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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><isolatedn@gmail.com> on behalf of Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 22 July 2016 at 13:32<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Sam Lanfranco <sam@lanfranco.net>, Chuck Gomes <cgomes@verisign.com>, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#333333">That would be a problem for me as a Registrant from another country, if my country were to provide stronger safeguards against the release of my data to LEA. Also, I would want to know why
you released my data, possibly to the Irish LEA, under Irish Law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday 22 July 2016 at 13:21<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Sam Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net" target="_blank">sam@lanfranco.net</a>>, Chuck Gomes <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
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</span>But I will suggest that in parallel ICANN as an organization, the ICANN multistakeholder community and stakeholders beyond ICANN, have to develop strategies for engagement with ongoing >>efforts outside ICANN around how to authenticate law enforcement
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Sorry, but what has this got to with the WG?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As an Irish company we will deal with Irish law enforcement. Overseas LEA can liaise with their Irish counterparts
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