<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Great. Then the IETF could pay attention to the complexities of matters concerning Registrant Data.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As you noted, I was concerned about the use of the term ‘rules’. As you know ICANN does not establish rules for the DNS; the IETF approves the technical standards
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sivasubramanian M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2016 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333">ICANN Coordinates the allocation of Names and Numbers, by policies and programs</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333">.
"Rule" may be a strong word here, slipped in from the question that I was answering, it is coordination, and the coordination happens by agreements. If it coordinates the allocation, it ought to consider itself responsible for all aspects concerning how fairly
these resources are allocated, and ICANN especially ought to pay attention to the aspects related to DNS data.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333">By your question, "what rules does ICANN make about DNS", are you implying that DNS is free for all, in a commercial sense?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sivasubramanian M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2016 10:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday 22 July 2016 at 15:19<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333">That is so wrong in all aspects</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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anywhere</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333"> do exactly the same thing? Why not? </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333">The obvious answer, ICANN does not make the rules in every country…
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Registrant data is "wasting time" and "such nonesense" as an individual participant, or saying this as Nordreg.se</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333"></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333"> or
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