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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Feel free to prepare one Elaine but please get it done this week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Elaine Pruis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 01, 2016 1:28 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Apologies for missing the core of this discussion while I was on a long holiday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the use cases published at <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGRDSTRWMO/RDS+PDP+WG+Example+Use+Cases">https://community.icann.org/display/NGRDSTRWMO/RDS+PDP+WG+Example+Use+Cases</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see a major omission, whois used for business intelligence. Is there someone actively working on that?<br>
Is it too late for me to contribute?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Farell Folly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shane Kerr <<a href="mailto:shane@time-travellers.org" target="_blank">shane@time-travellers.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>+1 Shane <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Le 27 juil. 2016 13:27, "Shane Kerr" <<a href="mailto:shane@time-travellers.org" target="_blank">shane@time-travellers.org</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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[ Apologies for the length. I need get back to my actual job, so don't<br>
have time to make this shorter. ]<br>
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I propose that:<br>
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* We should have a way to reject some use cases<br>
* Part of that motivation should be whether it is actually needed for<br>
DNS<br>
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This is not important now, but it will be at some point. It might be<br>
helpful to keep this in mind as we work on use cases.<br>
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My thinking is that we have three basic types of use cases:<br>
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Primary<br>
=======<br>
These use cases are necessary to actually be able to use the DNS<br>
itself. There are very few of these - almost all around configuring<br>
data that is needed for the DNS protocol to work.<br>
<br>
For example, you can get a domain in <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fNL.EU.ORG&data=01%7c01%7cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7c8803fe64384b45c6343808d3b623e7df%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZElr58dP2yDpvFLzbd61QAyBeTsU2LULOldb36mp40U%3d" target="_blank">
NL.EU.ORG</a> with only an e-mail<br>
address, and this is not published anywhere. (Even the e-mail address<br>
is not strictly necessary. One could set up a system based strictly on<br>
login to a web page.)<br>
<br>
The recent thought-experiment (aborted because it is not in our<br>
work plan) about finding the minimum set of data needed to run the DNS<br>
would have been a good start for defining these use cases.<br>
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Incidental<br>
==========<br>
The vast majority of use cases that we see today exist only as an<br>
artifact of the way that WHOIS works.<br>
<br>
A long time ago a system was established that publishes certain<br>
information; without much thought about the long-term impact of the<br>
setup. Over the years people have found all kinds of creative, useful,<br>
and nefarious things to do with this information. However, storing or<br>
accessing this information has very little or nothing to do with<br>
actually making DNS work.<br>
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For example, the DNS protocol certainly does not care what my fax<br>
number is, but anyone who looks up my domain name will see it. (Don't<br>
worry, I won't be doxed! I don't have a fax because this isn't 1986.)<br>
Likewise DNS software doesn't care when a domain was created. And so on.<br>
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The use cases here include using RDS to track down criminals, research<br>
trademark disputes, create mass-mailing portfolios, looking for domain<br>
drop dates, and most of what people actually use WHOIS for today.<br>
<br>
Note that I definitely include technical uses that are outside of the<br>
needs of the DNS protocol itself. So, for example, having a way to<br>
contact a DNS operator when something is wrong falls into this category.<br>
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Theoretical<br>
===========<br>
We have seen a couple of proposed use cases that seem to be ideas that<br>
people have for useful or harmful ways that RDS can be used, but that<br>
do not exist today (at least not that anyone can fully document).<br>
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For example, there seems to be a desire to use the RDS as a way to<br>
issue warrants for information about registrants. While this may be<br>
useful, this is not possible today (even with RDAP, I note). Likewise<br>
concerns about using RDS to generate to generate lists of political<br>
enemies probably fits into this category.<br>
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Discussion<br>
==========<br>
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I bring this up because eventually we should be able reject certain use<br>
cases. (As an NCUC member, I expect to push back hard against a lot of<br>
use cases defined for business or law-enforcement purposes.)<br>
<br>
I think that what I called "primary" use cases have to be accommodated.<br>
I think there may be some disagreement about the details, but these<br>
should be relatively easy to come to consensus on.<br>
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On the other hand, I think that both what I called "incidental" and<br>
"theoretical" use cases need to be motivated more strongly.<br>
<br>
There will probably be a natural tendency to prioritize existing uses<br>
of WHOIS - what I call "incidental" - because someone has some<br>
existing processes that depend on these. I think that this is wrong,<br>
and that any use of WHOIS outside of what is needed by DNS needs to be<br>
equally-well motivated.<br>
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That's about it.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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--<br>
Shane<br>
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