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<div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">Hi Elaine,</div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><br></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">Thank you for preparing this use case. I just wanted to respond to this statement
in the story:</div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; padding-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;"><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">The registrant data is made anonymous (names
removed and replaced with a number) for this analysis because the analyst is
interested in the broad effect of the promo and personal information is not
necessary to answer the questions posed.</div></blockquote><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><br></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">In the scenario
you described, the data is anonymised, but it is not deindividualised, because
the sum of the data you are retaining can be used to connect this data back to
one specific person or entity, which indeed you are doing. In consequence,
while some data elements have been stripped back, it would be very easy for a
malicious actor to identify a person or group of vulnerable persons which may
be registering domain names.</div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><br></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">There are other
ethical considerations here too. Knowing how registrants behave can be used to
employ incentives to encourage or discourage behaviour, which could potentially
be used to chill speech. For example, if the WHOIS output was blended with another data source and one was to know that X (i.e. a disabled
war veteran) is registering a number of domain names related to Y (i.e. historical
civil rights activists he/she admired), the registrar could create
disincentives for registering such domain names by creating a conditionality
(i.e. anyone living in country Z registering domain names likely related to Y is shown
a premium charge of 500%). Because good business analysts are able to identify
hidden correlations which we cannot predict today in our use cases, there is
the danger that the incentives which are created will be problematic or not sufficiently transparent. In addition, there is the danger that bots will infiltrate the RDS
and identify vacant, high-value domain names for the purposes of cybersquatting,
spamming, or impersonation, by picking up on the same patterns that legitimate registrants are following.</div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><br></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">Best wishes,</div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"><br></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;">Ayden</div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border:0; width:0px; height:0px;" src="https://app.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/4WISWC61RFrW3nfPZ/i02bj5SZulGblRmclZGQu5WYjlmI/icmcv5ibuF2YpB0Z31CckBXLzRmct82cudmI/ic0VgAFRQByUEJlI?sc=false" alt="">
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On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 11:39 PM, Elaine Pruis <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:elaine@donuts.email" target="_blank">elaine@donuts.email</a></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div>Attached is a whois use case describing an analysis of bulk whois data.</div><div>This is one version of hundreds of ways analysts use the data to understand trends across the industry.</div></div><div><br><div>On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Feel free to prepare one Elaine but please get it done this week.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Elaine Pruis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 01, 2016 1:28 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG</span></p><div><div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div>
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<p>Apologies for missing the core of this discussion while I was on a long holiday.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>For the use cases published at <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGRDSTRWMO/RDS+PDP+WG+Example+Use+Cases" target="_blank">https://community.icann.<wbr>org/display/NGRDSTRWMO/RDS+<wbr>PDP+WG+Example+Use+Cases</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>I see a major omission, whois used for business intelligence. Is there someone actively working on that?<br>
Is it too late for me to contribute?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Farell Folly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shane Kerr <<a href="mailto:shane@time-travellers.org" target="_blank">shane@time-travellers.org</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>+1 Shane <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Le 27 juil. 2016 13:27, "Shane Kerr" <<a href="mailto:shane@time-travellers.org" target="_blank">shane@time-travellers.org</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>All,<br>
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[ Apologies for the length. I need get back to my actual job, so don't<br>
have time to make this shorter. ]<br>
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I propose that:<br>
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* We should have a way to reject some use cases<br>
* Part of that motivation should be whether it is actually needed for<br>
DNS<br>
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This is not important now, but it will be at some point. It might be<br>
helpful to keep this in mind as we work on use cases.<br>
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My thinking is that we have three basic types of use cases:<br>
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Primary<br>
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These use cases are necessary to actually be able to use the DNS<br>
itself. There are very few of these - almost all around configuring<br>
data that is needed for the DNS protocol to work.<br>
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For example, you can get a domain in <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fNL.EU.ORG&data=01%7c01%7cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7c8803fe64384b45c6343808d3b623e7df%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZElr58dP2yDpvFLzbd61QAyBeTsU2LULOldb36mp40U%3d" target="_blank">
NL.EU.ORG</a> with only an e-mail<br>
address, and this is not published anywhere. (Even the e-mail address<br>
is not strictly necessary. One could set up a system based strictly on<br>
login to a web page.)<br>
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The recent thought-experiment (aborted because it is not in our<br>
work plan) about finding the minimum set of data needed to run the DNS<br>
would have been a good start for defining these use cases.<br>
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Incidental<br>
==========<br>
The vast majority of use cases that we see today exist only as an<br>
artifact of the way that WHOIS works.<br>
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A long time ago a system was established that publishes certain<br>
information; without much thought about the long-term impact of the<br>
setup. Over the years people have found all kinds of creative, useful,<br>
and nefarious things to do with this information. However, storing or<br>
accessing this information has very little or nothing to do with<br>
actually making DNS work.<br>
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For example, the DNS protocol certainly does not care what my fax<br>
number is, but anyone who looks up my domain name will see it. (Don't<br>
worry, I won't be doxed! I don't have a fax because this isn't 1986.)<br>
Likewise DNS software doesn't care when a domain was created. And so on.<br>
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The use cases here include using RDS to track down criminals, research<br>
trademark disputes, create mass-mailing portfolios, looking for domain<br>
drop dates, and most of what people actually use WHOIS for today.<br>
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Note that I definitely include technical uses that are outside of the<br>
needs of the DNS protocol itself. So, for example, having a way to<br>
contact a DNS operator when something is wrong falls into this category.<br>
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Theoretical<br>
===========<br>
We have seen a couple of proposed use cases that seem to be ideas that<br>
people have for useful or harmful ways that RDS can be used, but that<br>
do not exist today (at least not that anyone can fully document).<br>
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For example, there seems to be a desire to use the RDS as a way to<br>
issue warrants for information about registrants. While this may be<br>
useful, this is not possible today (even with RDAP, I note). Likewise<br>
concerns about using RDS to generate to generate lists of political<br>
enemies probably fits into this category.<br>
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Discussion<br>
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I bring this up because eventually we should be able reject certain use<br>
cases. (As an NCUC member, I expect to push back hard against a lot of<br>
use cases defined for business or law-enforcement purposes.)<br>
<br>
I think that what I called "primary" use cases have to be accommodated.<br>
I think there may be some disagreement about the details, but these<br>
should be relatively easy to come to consensus on.<br>
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On the other hand, I think that both what I called "incidental" and<br>
"theoretical" use cases need to be motivated more strongly.<br>
<br>
There will probably be a natural tendency to prioritize existing uses<br>
of WHOIS - what I call "incidental" - because someone has some<br>
existing processes that depend on these. I think that this is wrong,<br>
and that any use of WHOIS outside of what is needed by DNS needs to be<br>
equally-well motivated.<br>
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That's about it.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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<br><br><div>Ayden Férdeline</div><div><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Ayden+Férdeline+SOI" style="background-color: white;">Statement of Interest</a></div>
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