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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Please find below the notes and action items of today’s RDS PDP WG meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Marika<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Notes 17/08 – RDS PDP WG Meetiing<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>These high-level notes are designed to help PDP WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute for the transcript and/or recording. The MP3, transcript, and chat are provided separately and are posted on the wiki at: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/C4xlAw"><span style='color:#0000AF'>https://community.icann.org/x/C4xlAw</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>1. Roll Call / SOI Updates</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Audio only: Geoffrey Noakes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Reminder: please state your name before speaking for transcription purposes, mute your microphones when not speaking<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>2. Review draft Problem Statement<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>See draft problem statement circulated by small team<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Anonymous users are not a stakeholder according to the problem statement? Intent was not to leave them out or exclude them, so maybe updates are needed to address this point. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>'us' in the last paragraph is Working Group? Yes, correct. Can be updated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Why is purpose of DNS important in this context? RDS is part of the DNS so understanding the purpose of DNS helps understand purpose of RDS, but if updates / clarifications are helpful, this should be considered. DNS is far more constrained, already a number of examples in which DNS and RDS has been confused. Using DNS here will make things more difficult not easier. Consider removing 'purpose of the Domain Name System' - no objections. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>How constraining is the problem statement on the work the WG is doing? Is it an aspirational guidepost or is it more than that? Purpose of problem statement was that it would be helpful to formulate a problem statement as a result of discussions in Helsinki - aspirational statement in fulfilling our charter. Needs to be consistent with the charter, but it is not something the WG is bound to like the charter. Tool to aid discussion, not a constraint. Consider adding paragraph to problem statement: 'this is an aspiration goal, a tool, not end all', something along those lines. Sub-team referred to it as an executive summary of the charter - it is not meant to change/modify the charter. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Consider edit to first sentence: after 'has been tasked with' add determining whether a new RDS is needed, and, if so, definining the policies', etc. Consider moving this to the end of the sentence. Or add 'if a new RDS is needed' at the end of the system. Charter does require to determine requirements, development of policies only happens after decision is taken that new system is needed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Is 'ever-evolving global internet' to broad? Those needs are way beyond the scope of the WG. Consider changing it to something like 'applicable domain name needs' of the ever-evolving global internet. Consider changing "meet the needs" -> "meet the needs, as described further below,". Is 'of the existing and ever-evolving global internet' still necessary with this change? Consider at a minimum restricting it to the 'domain name needs' of the existing and ever-evolving global internet. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Move 'determining whether a new RDS is needed' to the end of the sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Is 'individual registrants' intended to limit it to individuals, or does it refer to any type of registrants? Remove 'individual'. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Action item #1:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> staff to create a redline version of the changes proposed during the meeting and distribute it to the WG. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Action </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>item #2: WG to review redline version of the problem statement and share any further comments/edits with the mailing list ahead of next week's meeting. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>3) Continue review of example use cases</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Review of use cases will continue in next two meetings (23 and 30 August). Does not mean that if further use cases come up later on these cannot been added.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Use cases do not need to be limited to what happens today, can also focus on potential future uses<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Reputation Services (Rod Rasmussen)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>See use case presented during meeting (https://community.icann.org/x/JA6bAw) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Questions/discussion: this is a use case that is done and exists today with use case focusing on how to apply it in a potential future world. Under data elements, email addresses and other contact addresses are added. Is it primarily email address that is used or are other elements also added? Most reputational services are fairly light and may look at limited set of data, more sophisticated models will use more information. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Investigate Abusive Domain (Rod Rasmussen)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>See use case presented during meeting (https://community.icann.org/x/JA6bAw) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Questions/discussion: is this a use case in which the registrant may not be the abuser?- could fit this use case. Similar to previous use cases, but those did not completely capture what to get out of this. Registrant vs. administrative contact should be highlighted in the context of what the RDS is supposed to do. Admin contact is often the party you need to reach for domain name renewal, transfer, purchase, etc. Investigation may be done before LE gets involved which this use case highlights. Need to consider what is within ICANN's remit and what isn't - reputational investigation is not within the remit. Use cases do tease out who is responsible for what, how to parce different types of uses. Is this an attempt to make RDS a one stop shop for investigators, is that really the purpose of RDS? Is IP address or credentials used for registration normally accessible to Ops Sec? Not provided via public WHOIS today, LE can request via legal processes, but can Ops Sec get that data today? Often that data is not available to Ops Sec directly, although it is available to Law Enforcement through subpoena, etc. However many registrars have Terms of Service that would allow that data to be provided if ToS is violated by an abusive domain name, in which case Ops Sec would have access. Need to consider privacy considerations. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Find Domains Registered by Miscreant (Rod Rasmussen)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Deferred to next week<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Tech Issue Resolution Examples (Rob Golding)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Deferred to next week<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>All posted here: https://community.icann.org/x/JA6bAw<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <i>4) Confirm Next Meeting - Tuesday 23 August 16.00 UTC<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Pick up remaining use cases<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Finalise problem statement<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>RDS PDP WG is expected to have 4 hour meeting slot on Thursday 3 November<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Further information on Visa requirements is expected to be published shortly in combination with a webinar on logistics early September.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Marika Konings</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Senior Policy Director & Team Leader for the GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Email: <a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"><span style='color:#0563C1'>marika.konings@icann.org</span></a> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Find out more about the GNSO by taking our <a href="http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso"><span style='color:#0563C1'>interactive courses</span></a> and visiting the <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-efforts.htm#newcomers"><span style='color:#0563C1'>GNSO Newcomer pages</span></a>.</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>