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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear All, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group call on Wednesday 17 August 2017 2016 at 05:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:If you wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password RDS, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/ZgisAw">https://community.icann.org/x/ZgisAw</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Maxim and Stuart!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Hi all.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:hello everyone...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Iliya Bazlyankov:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome everybody!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Hello</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I sent regrets for this meeting, and I bet I won't last</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:1 more minute</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:Good evening!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I've a meeting at 10:00 my time (it's 1:00 here) that I chair</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:so I will probably drop early. So more regrets :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Andrew for bringing this to my attention, we will mark you as present regardless of the duration of your attendance :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):8am</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@Nathalie: it's good to know that even if I flake out I am some sort of participant ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:We hear you, Alex.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:The only worry I have about this is the suggestion that those who are outside the enumerated list are still part of the "some entities" who have the anonymity and privacy requirements. Who are these
others? But I don't care to much about this</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Looks good, Alex. Thanks for all the hard work (you and the drafting team)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Beth Allegretti:+1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):are they secret stakeholders?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Jim is asking basically the worry I have</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:the WG is tasked with defining the purpose of the RDS, not just reviewing it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:ok, now he's really hitting what I'm worried about it :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:valid point, Alan.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:and good points, Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:I think we all worry that each document we come up with becomes super important in that adjudication process. I would agree with the concern about this one in particular.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:Based on our discussions in Helsinki, I believe this problem statement was meant as a tool to aid in our discussions, not a constraint.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Marina</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:in the sub group we called it an executive summary of the charter. its not meant to change/modify the charter. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Very helpful, Chuck, thanks. It might be useful to say something about working goal, like what Rod just said. Thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:And again what Alan is saying: rough principles of operation, not rules</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:suggested text: Note that this problem statement is meant as a tool to aid in discussion, consistent with but not a constraint on the Working Group and its Charter.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:+1 Lisa</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:also +1 s/us/wg/</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):Ok Chuck.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):The changes that Lisa (apologies if it was someone else) made address my first concern. Specifically, changing "the aforementioned" to "other" does it for me.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):"meet the needs" -> "meet the needs, as described further below,"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Key thing for me: the "meet the needs" part has working priority to the tech choice</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Cake:'better meet the needs'?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I believe this is consistent with charter</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:@Stephanie - I think this was meant as just colorful intro language. I don't read so much into this. Again, this is a tool and we are constrained by our charter.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:We must not however set policy that will limit future and now unknown users/innovation/etc. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:We are going to have to balance a lot of competing needs. We will NOT meet all the needs by definition.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Exactly Alan. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:s/users/uses/</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I expect Jim's approach will work</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Ditto</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:We are taking a clean concise statement and not adding bumps on to it to make sure that no one will misunderstand. THAT is why I wanted confirmation that it would not be used as a hammer later on.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:And we don't need to hammer out text real time -- could be a list edit</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:+1 andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:No, looks good</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:the requirements determine the need for a new policy framework - technology decisions then follow policy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:At the risk of sounding like a former bureaucrat, I would like to add "to the extent possible" at the end of the third paragraph.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Rhetorical flourish which is giving me heartburn....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:agree with delete the "existing and &c"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:We can lose the "excision and ever evolving Internet" if that's too problematic.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:posslble alt text for first sentence: tasked with defining the requirements for and (if appropriate) policies associated with...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:"existing..."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:+1 to DNS</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:I'm happy with that first red-line comment as is.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:yeah, sorry, couldn't edit in vox well on demand :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:something like what I see. Thnaks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Lisa and Alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:+11 (a lot in geek terms!) for great work</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:Many thanks to the other members of the sub-group who all contributed to this proposed version. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:completely agree this is happpening now, and the right thing is to make that better</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:FSVO "better"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:for the transcript: I'm very sorry I've been careless about stating my name. It's andrew sullivan.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:when Chuck calls on "andrew"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I agree completely with Rod here that it's already a use case, but this offers a plan.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:Under data elements the data is @registration. if an update has been made since registration, should that information also be collected?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:admin contact is often the party you need to reach for domain name renewal, transfer, purchase, etc</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):on the investigation to be done before asking LE to look into the case</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:exactly</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:We are not regulating web hosters, but we are providing core Internet infrastructure that will impact all parts of the Internet...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I think that Rod is making the fine distinctions I think would help</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tjabbe Bos (European Commission):+1 for the excellent use case</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Andrew - this is where the EWG's purpose-based contacts came from, to unpack the overloaded tech/admin contacts in today's WHOIS</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:not inconsistent with what Alan and Stephanie said earlier (incl in chat)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:and completely agree with Lisa</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Thanks, Rod</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:the data here combines a mix of things a Registrant will explicitly tell a Registrar about and data that will be derived from their behaviour (IP addresses, their system creds)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:if you are to have a website, who your hosting provider is is not PII</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:your creds at that hosting provider should be tho</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@kal: I should hope so. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:keep in mind that any reputation service automatically means that those with _good_ reoutation win</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:further details on visa requirements are expected to be posted shortly. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:thanks ... zzzzz</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:bye!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:perfect time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra::)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:good night/morning everyone!</div>
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