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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also well said Stephanie.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 19, 2016 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] High level goal (was Re: For WG Review - Redlined Problem Statement)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif"">+1. We are never going to resolve the tensions, because the approach to the matter between different groups with different interests is vast. We need to strike a bargain that seems fair
enough for the moment. Detente. But I don't recommend introducing that word</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif"">Stephanie Perrin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2016-08-18 18:42, Andrew Sullivan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Hi,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:18:13PM +0000, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>the WG will have to try to find solutions to mitigate the tensions<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>among stakeholders with regard to possible RDS requirements and<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>policies. In fact, I believe that this is a key point of the overall<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>problem statement.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I don't think we actually disagree about this, but let me try to put a<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>different gloss on that and see whether you think it's right.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Our problem is not to resolve the tension among stakeholders or<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>different parties. Our problem is to forge a policy that takes into<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>account those various views, with the understanding that the goal is<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>ultimately to produce a policy that produces the best outcome for the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Internet (which means also for the constituent networks and the actual<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and potential users of them). One consequence of that understanding<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>is that we probably should not produce policies that radically empower<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>one set of views at the overwhelming cost of another, unless the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>losing view is itself something that does not contribute to good<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>outcomes for the Internet. (So, for instance, it's ok to say that a<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>view which desires to undermine the end to end principle is one we<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>simply will not accommodate: its entire goal is to undermine the basis<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>of internetworking.)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>ICANN policies are best when they support and promote the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>interoperation of networks that make up the Internet, where those<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>policies impinge upon the DNS at the levels closest to the root zone.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Some of that policy inevitably interacts with national laws, sub-,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>trans-, and inter-national issues in operation of the constituent<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>networks, and issues that arise at the nexus of protocol operation and<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>use of those protocols (where the "users" in this case are the entire<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>class of anyone who wants to use the Internet at the top-most parts of<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>the DNS). For that reason, ICANN policies need to reflect those<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>conditions, which means taking into account the legal and political<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>realities that affect the Internet wherever it is deployed. At the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>same time, we need to accept and recognise that some legal and<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>political demands really do represent a threat to the Internet itself,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and such demands (regardless of which legal regime backs them) are not<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>something that ICANN policy can legitimately accommodate.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Therefore, we set our bar too high if we think we can _resolve_ the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tussle[1]. All we can do is work out a _modus vivendi_ in which some<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>new stage in the tussle stabilizes for a period. It seems to me that<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>we are at a stage in Internet development where everyone acknowledges<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>that (1) the existing state of affairs is unsatisfying to just about<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>everyone and (2) the technology has evolved in ways that permit us to<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>look at desires with fresh eyes and attempt to make new,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>medium-term-stable arrangements.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Does that seem close to what you're trying to suggest?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>A<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>[1] <a href="http://david.choffnes.com/classes/cs4700fa14/papers/tussle.pdf">http://david.choffnes.com/classes/cs4700fa14/papers/tussle.pdf</a>.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>In my opinion, anyone who hasn't read that paper and who is<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>participating in Internet policy development is doing him or herself a<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>disservice.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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