<div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div>Greg, <br></div><div><br></div><div>Please forgive me here, as phrasing awful possibilities in emotional language does not come as naturally to me. So I’ll have to bypass a few of your scenarios and instead suggest that you not take the words “worst case scenario” literally. After all, I am sure we can all conjure up a worst case scenario that is entirely improbable; like if aliens from Mars were to penetrate the RDS and to use it as an instrument for finding properties to destroy. We should be placing the worst case scenarios in context by discussing less devastating but more probable outcomes, and by placing both risk probability and risk magnitude at the forefront of our discussions. I think this would serve us better than potentially ignoring the ‘warning signals’ of what could go wrong.<br></div><div><br>Thanks,</div><div>Ayden</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical<br></div><div>Local Time: August 22, 2016 9:27 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: August 22, 2016 8:27 PM<br></div><div>From: gregshatanipc@gmail.com<br></div><div>To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(80, 0, 80)" class="colour"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size">"We therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible actors, not the best."</span></span></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(80, 0, 80)" class="colour"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size"></span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="color:#000000" class="colour">If this is the prism through which we view the "actors" involved here, that would need to apply to all the actors -- so we need to view registrants as a motley crew of phishers, malware providers, cybersquatters, counterfeiters, child porn purveyors, illegal online pharmacies, and other assorted malfeasors. That would make WHOIS/RDS the rough equivalent of a sex offender registry, and our requirements regarding availability, contactability, accuracy, validation, etc., would need to be ratcheted up very significantly. We may even need a system to track registrants, if we follow this thinking to its logical conclusion.</span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="color:#000000" class="colour"></span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="color:#000000" class="colour">As fascinating as this dystopian worldview might be, I reject the idea that this is an appropriate approach to our work.</span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="color:#000000" class="colour"></span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="color:#000000" class="colour">Greg Shatan</span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="size"><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="color:#000000" class="colour"></span></span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>I share the same view, Carlton. +1 to your comment.<span class="HOEnZb"><span style="color:#888888" class="colour"></span></span><br></div><div><span class="HOEnZb"><span style="color:#888888" class="colour"><div><br></div><div>Ayden<br></div><div><div><br></div></div></span></span><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class=""><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical<br></div></span><br></div><div><div class="h5"><div>Local Time: August 22, 2016 5:02 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: August 22, 2016 4:02 PM<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br></div><div><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Simply put: Anything that can be abused, will be abuse. We
therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible actors,
not the best. <br></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">+1<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">I cannot see how any other model makes sense in this context.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">-Carlton<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div><div>==============================<br></div><div><i><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms", sans-serif" class="font">Carlton A Samuels</span></i><br></div><div><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms", sans-serif" class="font"><i>Mobile: <a value="+18768181799" href="tel:876-818-1799">876-818-1799</a><br><span style="color:rgb(51, 204, 0)" class="colour">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</span></i></span></div><div>=============================<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div>
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