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<p>Even in those cases, the presumption of "innocent until proven
guilty" would prevail, I assume, and prevent the unregulated,
free-for all access to what still amounts to private details. I am
in no way defending the practices you describe, but even criminals
have basic rights. <br>
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<p>To my original argument: If CIA and FBI would have unfettered
access, why wouldn't their Iranian, Syrian or similar
counterparts? Had the internet existed a few decades earlier,
GeStaPo or Stasi would have had a very good time with that data. <br>
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<p>We simply have to start with a de minimis approach that we slowly
and carefully open up the "vault door" as much as necessary, but
not further.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.08.2016 um 22:27 schrieb Greg
Shatan:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">"We
therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible
actors, not the best."</span><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">If this is the
prism through which we view the "actors" involved here,
that would need to apply to all the actors -- so we need
to view registrants as a motley crew of phishers, malware
providers, cybersquatters, counterfeiters, child porn
purveyors, illegal online pharmacies, and other assorted
malfeasors. That would make WHOIS/RDS the rough
equivalent of a sex offender registry, and our
requirements regarding availability, contactability,
accuracy, validation, etc., would need to be ratcheted up
very significantly. We may even need a system to track
registrants, if we follow this thinking to its logical
conclusion.</font></span></div>
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face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">As fascinating
as this dystopian worldview might be, I reject the idea
that this is an appropriate approach to our work.</font></span></div>
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face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">Greg Shatan</font></span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>I share the same view, Carlton. +1 to your comment.<span
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div>Local Time: August 22, 2016 5:02 PM<br>
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Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Simply
put: Anything that can be abused, will be
abuse. We therefore need to model our approach
on the worst possible actors, not the best. <br>
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<div style="font-family:"comic sans
ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"
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<div style="font-family:"comic sans
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class="gmail_default">I cannot see how any other
model makes sense in this context.<br>
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