<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ayden,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You are being far too modest; your capacity for phrasing awful possibilities in emotional language has been amply demonstrated in this group. As for the rest of your email, I'm not entirely sure it responded to my email, since I did not mention "worst case scenarios" at all. I was referring instead to the proposal that we "model our approach on the worst case actors." I merely selected a few types of actual, and not at all improbable, registrant/malfeasors, so that we could consider them as our "worst case actors" for determining how to deal with registrant issues if we were to use the suggested methodology. Which I do not support.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Greg, <br></div><div><br></div><div>Please forgive me here, as phrasing awful possibilities in emotional language does not come as naturally to me. So I’ll have to bypass a few of your scenarios and instead suggest that you not take the words “worst case scenario” literally. After all, I am sure we can all conjure up a worst case scenario that is entirely improbable; like if aliens from Mars were to penetrate the RDS and to use it as an instrument for finding properties to destroy. We should be placing the worst case scenarios in context by discussing less devastating but more probable outcomes, and by placing both risk probability and risk magnitude at the forefront of our discussions. I think this would serve us better than potentially ignoring the ‘warning signals’ of what could go wrong.<br></div><div><br>Thanks,</div><div>Ayden</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class=""><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical<br></div></span><div><div class="h5"><div>Local Time: August 22, 2016 9:27 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: August 22, 2016 8:27 PM<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px">"We therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible actors, not the best."</span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"></span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:#000000">If this is the prism through which we view the "actors" involved here, that would need to apply to all the actors -- so we need to view registrants as a motley crew of phishers, malware providers, cybersquatters, counterfeiters, child porn purveyors, illegal online pharmacies, and other assorted malfeasors. That would make WHOIS/RDS the rough equivalent of a sex offender registry, and our requirements regarding availability, contactability, accuracy, validation, etc., would need to be ratcheted up very significantly. We may even need a system to track registrants, if we follow this thinking to its logical conclusion.</span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:#000000"></span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:#000000">As fascinating as this dystopian worldview might be, I reject the idea that this is an appropriate approach to our work.</span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:#000000"></span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:#000000">Greg Shatan</span></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="color:#000000"></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>I share the same view, Carlton. +1 to your comment.<span><span style="color:#888888"></span></span><br></div><div><span><span style="color:#888888"><div><br></div><div>Ayden<br></div><div><div><br></div></div></span></span><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical<br></div></span><br></div><div><div><div>Local Time: August 22, 2016 5:02 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: August 22, 2016 4:02 PM<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br></div><div><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Simply put: Anything that can be abused, will be abuse. We
therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible actors,
not the best. <br></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">+1<br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">I cannot see how any other model makes sense in this context.<br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">-Carlton<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div><div>==============================<br></div><div><i><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">Carlton A Samuels</span></i><br></div><div><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif"><i>Mobile: <a value="+18768181799" href="tel:876-818-1799" target="_blank">876-818-1799</a><br><span style="color:rgb(51,204,0)">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</span></i></span></div><div>=============================<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div>
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