<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think we are have a vocabulary problem: I think you are misreading what "consumers" means here. I have always understood the reference to "Consumers" to mean consumers of goods and services <u>not</u> consumers of WHOIS services (or only consumers of goods and services who also use WHOIS services). I would like to make sure we're all clear on that, because we're clearly not all there yet.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Assuming that is correct, I won't deal with the rest of the email, which is predicated on what I understand to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the classes of "stakeholders."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg S. <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Rob Golding <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rob.golding@astutium.com" target="_blank">rob.golding@astutium.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Unless someone can help us understand how this discussion is relevant<br>
to the tasks in front of us and particularly to our near term work,<br>
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"consumers" are in the "1st camp" mission statement, yet it would _appear_ statistically from the research presented, that it's around 1% of consumers with a "vested interest" so I think the point is that they shouldn't be<br>
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That's assuming we accept a "domain oriented company" sponsored research into domains, which I would imagine massively overstates the 1.7% by a significant margin (and the results seem equally untrusted by others in the WG)<br>
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I am having someone code up an actual measurement of registrants accessing the whois data by xref'ing ip accessing domain data within our system, whois requests about their domains, and whois queries from their ips to determine "real" data about registrant knowledge and use of whois - we have the raw data going back to Nov 2009 so can get some useful data to present once that is completed<br>
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The bulk of our customers are Business, primarily in the under 10M/PA range (so classified under EU levels and micro, small and medium), a "retail" registrar would need to do something similar to give the "personal" registrants viewpoint - Volker @ KS perhaps ?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Rob</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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