<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>I would have to agree here with James, control of the domain has no relevance to if it exists in the DNS Zone or not.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>The registrant could remove the nameservers entirely - its removed from the zone servers, but, the registrant still has "control" over the domain name.</div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__">Kind regards,<br><br>Chris</div><br><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"James Galvin" <jgalvin@afilias.info><br><b>To: </b>"Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, 9 September, 2016 15:32:07<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] RDS Statement of Purpose<br></div><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__">On 9 Sep 2016, at 9:46, Michael D. Palage wrote:<br><br>> During this Pending Create period the registrant has no control over <br>> the domain name as it does not appear in the zone file, but does <br>> appear in publicly available Whois data.<br><br>I think this is the most important point in your comment Michael.<br><br>Your statement asserts that registrant “control” of a domain name is <br>dependent on whether or not the domain name appears in the zone file.<br><br>While you provide an excellent example in support of this in your <br>description of pendingCreate, I believe your assertion to tightly-couple <br>“control” with “zone presence” is inappropriate.<br><br>There are several statuses during which a domain name will not appear in <br>a zone file and a registrant still has primary “control” of a domain <br>name, e.g., pendingDelete, at which time a registrant could take action <br>to get a domain name restored. I consider this “control” in this <br>case because no other registrant can acquire the domain name during this <br>period.<br><br>I would propose another way to think about pendingCreate as follows:<br><br>First, I am not going to speak to the question of access to data via <br>directory services at this time. That is a separate discussion we are <br>not having yet. This discussion is strictly about the purpose of <br>registration data.<br><br>In a pendingCreate situation where more than one registrant may have <br>asserted the create event, all of the aforementioned registrants share <br>the “control” of a domain name. This “control” must be resolved <br>to a single registrant before the pendingCreate expires or the create <br>event itself expires and the domain name is returned to the “available <br>pool”, i.e., all registrants lose “control” of a domain name.<br><br>Jim<br>_______________________________________________<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br></div></div></body></html>