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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear All, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG Meeting on Wednesday, 21 September 2016 at 05:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:If you wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password RDS, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your
mics. Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not speaking.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XQK4Aw">https://community.icann.org/x/XQK4Aw</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:A reminder to please sign into the AC room with your first and last names, as they will be taken for attendance purposes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes (RySG):Hello everyone.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Apologies in advance that I will almost certainly have to drop early</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Andrew, noted.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:namaskar</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:trying adobe connect via ipad - I might drop back to phone only ...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:noted</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:the irony of me not having an internet connection is not lost on me</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:I think the point is individual data elements versus all data elements (as a whole)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:I may be over thinking it....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:can you repeat the proposal Chuck?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Beth Allegretti:+1 Alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:example of a service related to data elements might be WhoWas or RWhoIs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:+1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I don't get why rwhois is an example. (Just a quibble -- we don't need to debate I don't think)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:Maybe we can put that phrase in square brackets and revisit it after we dive into the specific purposes ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:they're not "core" </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:i'd agree with Jim </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:rwhois _is_ core in any thin registry. it's the RDS protocol in that case</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:but anyway, not a critical point</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I don't care which kind of registries we're talking about</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:we surely don't want this to be tightly wound around other policies</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:I don't think the "type" of registry is relevant </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:we are assuming they're all treated the same</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):[[and services related to them, if any. ]</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:Why is the RDcollected by registrars under the RAA not covered - or haveI missed something</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Note that proposed edits are listed in Notes Pod at right</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we assume that privacy proxy works the same way like now?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:okay - hanks - ys yes - this is about what is collected in the relationship beween registrars/registries</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:And add - relationship between registrars/registries and ICANN</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@Maxim: why does that matter? The privacy proxy stuff all happens on registration side</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Suggest that Steve Metaltiz's points from last call be incorporated into "overall goals"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the reason - in case of P&p registry see only generic words about most data </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Maxim - huh? No you don't</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:the only data that is changed is in relation to the registrant</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):The issue with privacy/proxy is whether or not we write the policy to say that we have to know who the registrant is or whether it is an access point.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Jim +1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:First, having a list of purposes / accommodating multiple purposes. Second something that can be communicated readily to registrants and others. And third, something that you can use to establish
a relationship between the stated purpose and a proposed or actual use.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@Jim: it seems to me that that policy is not possible, for the very reasons that proxies can't possibly be regulated away despite what people would like</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:and there's been a complicated set of rules about that</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I think we're talking about access to registration data as in the registry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:@ Jom - Is that connected to your earlier question - are we asssuming that we are alking about access - to a tiny bit -to a lot - of data, but not no access a all?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:worrying about data that is _not_ in the registry is asking for scope creep of indeterminate size</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:Sorry - @Jim</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:We spent about 2 years on privacy / proxy policy - we shouldn't be trying to re-open that</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):@andrew - that's what I think and why I'm concerned about the phrase "services related to them".</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:Agree with Michele - PLEASE don't reopen</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:the IRT for PPSAI is kicking off now but the policy has been decided</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:@Michele, since when is spending a bunch of time on something a bar to reopening it (just saying --- see present case).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:lol Fabricio :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra::)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:bloody lawyers :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:I agree with it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:Agree with it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:+1 Michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Alex and Steve</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:See prerequisites v, vi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:good call, Lisa</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:Yep - I see that now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:I'm happy with them where they are</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:agree with Alex's initial thought as goals</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:To communicate purpose(s) of the RDS to registrants (and others)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:yes, suggested tweak to move from prereq to overall goal</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:I think that would do it. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:Thanks Lisa....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Apologies that I must drop now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Similarly, move vi. to e. To establish sufficient relationship between purpose(s) and use of the RDS</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Beth Allegretti:+1 Alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sara Bockey:Apologies but I need to drop as well. Great discussion and thanks all.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Proposed text is now: e. To establish sufficient relationship between the purpose(s) and the use(s) of the RDS</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:I'm ok with with the move. but I don't feel strongly one way or another</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:I believe that wat Steve pointed out goes to the actual statement of purpose</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Steve</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:How about "the system that may collect, maintain, and/or provide access to...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:sale and purchase of Whois data is illegal right ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:illegal where?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:everywhere</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Illegal why?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:it's not "illegal"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:There are plenty of businesses who trade in it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:then why registrars cannot solicit business for swomen Ng that data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Michele buys and sells data all the time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Fabricio - I do?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:this is an ICANN directive</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:what is??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:oh</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:soliciting business using Whois data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:chuck since u r verisign can assist me here please on this perception that I may have</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Verisign doesn't have whois data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:chuck is Rysg so I asked</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:It's a great time for Sydney</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:Vaibhav you appear to have your mic on</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:so if the data is open then where is the question of privacy?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:That woul be unfortunate, Michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:then the SOP needs to clearly state this that this pro is expecting a change in the policy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Fabricio - it shouldn't be an issue</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Vaibhav - Fabricio was trolling a bit</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:somebody should mute</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Vibhav, please mute</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:you heard it here first, Michele/blackknight sells PII</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:it is illegal worldwide</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:especially in the U.K. and USA</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:right</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:Maybe email the culprits?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:ha ha ha</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:we're criminals now I think</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:I am more than happy to actually partner up with them</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:partners in crime ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:the WG of a few naughty children I'm AKS </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:ha ha ha GD bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Patrick Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Now coffee</div>
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