Criminals have a goal of not getting caught.<div><br></div><div>Law enforcement has a goal of catching criminals. They actually succeed quite often. The time, cost and level of success depend on the tools available.</div><div><br></div><div>Criminals have a goal of ripping people off. Online crime undermines the security of the Internet and reduces consumer/end-user trust and confidence in the Internet.</div><div><br></div><div>Maintaining the security of the Internet and trust in the Internet is a critical part of ICANN's mission.</div><div><br></div><div>Our policy recommendations have to support ICANN's mission.<span></span></div><div><br></div><div>The direction in which we need to go seems fairly clear.</div><div><br></div><div>Greg Shatan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Thursday, October 6, 2016, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Not at all, ordinary
people make mistakes all the time. However, rarely would this
kind of mistake render the person/organization un-contactable,
which it seems to me is the evil we are trying to avoid with
bad data. On the other hand, criminals have a goal of being
untraceable, so will continue to make sure they are not
located, right?</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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<div>On 2016-10-06 19:20, Mark Svancarek
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">There seems
to be a presumption that bad data is caused entirely by bad
people.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Do we
actually have data showing which fraction of bad data is
created with criminal intent, and which fraction is just
people being lazy or careless and then never being held
accountable by the data actually being verified?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 6, 2016 3:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org');" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review -
updated RDS Statement of Purpose<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span>I agree with those pushing back on
including a commitment to accuracy in this statement of
purpose. I think there are a number of sound reasons for
this. Those of us who push back are not advocating for bad
data, that would be silly. What we are addressing is the
futility of attempting to get the criminal element to put
good data in their registration data. If we force them, we
drive ID theft. Here are a few of my reasons:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span>1. Governments actually do not usually
invest taxpayers money verifying citizen data, they provide
penalties for having inaccurate data and leave it at that.
Verifying address and phone number, given the mobility of
the population in the countries I am familiar with from my
past government service (US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,
and UK) is expensive and there is very little way to enforce
it. This being the case, why would we force ICANN to do
this? The cost inevitably would fall on the Registrars and
registries, and be passed on to the end users.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span>2. As mentioned above, any pressure to
improve data quality can hardly be expected to get criminals
to give their accurate data, it will drive them to steal
good data.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span>3. The vast majority of people are
actually honest. I do realize that there is a high volume
of cybercrime, but penalizing the majority of end users for
the actions of a few (even if those actions result in a high
volume of phishing and malware etc) is not good policy.
There are other ways to catch and dump bad domains.
Prosecution of malfeasant registrants remains a problem, but
frankly how many can be prosecuted across borders anyway?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">4. We do have questions about
accuracy that we need to address, according to our charter.
The purpose of this purpose statement is to boil down our
business requirements for the activity in which we are
engaged. While many actors want more accurate data, how to
get that accuracy is so open to question that I regard its
inclusion in the statement of purpose as setting impossible
goals. I would be happy to revise this sentence as follows:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif">To
enable release of accurate gTLD registration data that may
not otherwise be publicly available, under specific and
explicit policy-defined conditions Change to
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif">To
enable release of gTLD registration data that may not
otherwise be publicly available under specific conditions
defined by policy, and to develop mechanisms to encourage
greater accuracy of data.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal">
Stephanie Perrin<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 2016-10-06 16:48, Chris Pelling wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
would actually concur with Volker. I see your point
but, can I ask a question, the data collected cannot
be proven to any certainty because we have nothing as
the registry/registrar community to "check" it
against. Simply checking say the address against a
city, against a State, against a postal/zip code then
country isnt proving the registrant data is correct,
its simply proving that the registrant can open a
phone book and pick an address out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Until
tools are created to prove that registrant is actually
at address X, accuracy is a rather moot point.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
agree with your point about law enforcement and bad
data being a cost to the public purse, but until the
governments can get together and work out a solution
for the data to be verified there is little anyone can
do.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Registrant
giving fake address = bad data<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Registrant
giving correct address of neighbour = bad data<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Registrant
giving old address where previously lived = bad data -
but at least it could be validated against old correct
data and cross checked<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This
list could be endless :<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Registrant
giving correct data = good, verifiable. Maybe the
governments can work out a solution to being able to
verify their citizens data.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
would love to find a solution that is workable and
commercially viable, the governments and LEA can then
use the data with some surety to its worthiness -
although this is a totally separate topic, I would
like to sit down and discuss it further - the
governments getting together and helping this work.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kind
regards,<br>
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Chris<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From:
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Shorey"
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<b>To: </b>"Volker Greimann" <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vgreimann@key-systems.net');" target="_blank"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, 6 October, 2016 17:38:55<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review
- updated RDS Statement of Purpose<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Interesting
comments Volker! I guess it's all about the
perspective you view it from I suppose. The impact
of bad data on law enforcement investigations can
also be waste of valuable time and cost. Except the
cost comes out of of the public purse...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
6 October 2016 at 17:23, Volker Greimann <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vgreimann@key-systems.net');" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi
Greg,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Arguments
to the contrary tend to look like a
Defense of Bad Data. I can't think of
any reasons to defend bad data, unless
one wants a bad database.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If
you want reasons, here are a few:<br>
1) Cost<br>
2) Waste of valuable time<br>
3) Implementation nightmares<br>
4) No actual standard that applies worldwide<br>
5) Legacy data from legacy sources<br>
6) Customer service nightmare<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It's
reasonable to strive for perfectly
accurate data, but accept that one
will never get there. There should be
commercially reasonable and
proportionate methods to get as close
as practically possible.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">One
can strive for anything, but it may never be
achieved, consuming valuable ressources on
the way. How many people died trying to
reach the south pole, the north pole, the
peak of the Matterhorn, before someone made
it. While that first one to make is famous
now, consider the loss of life and
ressources wasted we spent getting there.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We
have not (in this group) discussed
data migration, but assuming a Garbage
In, Garbage Out approach doesn't seem
reasonable. Whether all the data is
validated before migration, or just
validated as part of a normal
validation cycle, it needs be
validated.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Existing
data in is the only feasible solution if you
want a manageable transition process.<br>
As for validation by the road, before
designing a process we should define who is
going to have to implement it, process it,
deal with user complaints, pay for it, etc.
What is better data worth to those who have
to pay for it? Are those that benefit from
better data going to finance it (including
all associated costs)? If so, let's talk....<br>
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Best,<br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Carlton
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<span>Not to make too
fine a point of it. But the EWG
was tasked to re-imagine an
RDS. If this PDP is tasked to
build on the works of EWG maybe
it'd be useful to re-visit
certain ideas we now hold as
verities.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<span>-Carlton <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><i><span>Carlton A
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</span><i><span>Mobile: <a href="tel:876-818-1799" target="_blank">
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Planning, Governance,
Assessment &
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 7:38 PM,
Holly Raiche <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','h.raiche@internode.on.net');" target="_blank">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Folks
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Maybe
we need to back up a
bit and go back to the
Charter and what we
are supposed to be
doing. Let me quote
directly from it:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">First
- background: Quoting
the Charter on the
Board decision to
launch this PDP:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span>On 26 May, 2015, the ICANN Board passed
a resolution adopting
that Process
Framework and
reaffirming its
2012 request for a
Board - initiated
PDP to define the
purpose of
collecting,
maintaining and
providing access
to gTLD
registration
data, and to
consider
safeguards for
protecting data,
using the
recommendations in
the EWG’s
Final Report as an
input to, and, if
appropriate, as
the foundation for
a new gTLD policy</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span>Later
- what The Charter
tasked this Working
Group with:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span>As part of its Phase 1 deliberations, the PDP WG
should work to
reach consensus
recommendations by
considering, at a
minimum, the
following complex
and inter-related
questions:</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Users/Purposes: Who should have access to gTLD
registration data
and why?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Gated Access: What steps should be taken to
control data
access for each
user/purpose?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Data Accuracy: What steps should be taken to
improve data
accuracy?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Data Elements: What data should be collected,
stored, and
disclosed?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Privacy: What steps are needed to protect data and
privacy?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Coexistence: What steps should be taken to enable
next-generation
RDS coexistence
with and
replacement of the
legacy WHOIS
system?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span>Compliance: What steps are needed to enforce these
policies?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> System Model:What system requirements must be
satisfied by any
next-generation
RDS implementation?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Cost: What costs will be incurred and how must
they be covered?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Benefits: What benefits will be achieved and how
will they be
measured?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<i><span></span></i><i><span> Risks: What risks do stakeholders face and how
will they be
reconciled?</span></i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span>So accuracy’s
there - along with a
lot of other issues.
That is not saying
that accuracy is not
covered in existing
requirements on
registries/registrars.
But it is giving a
broader meaning to
RDS - i.e., it’s not
just about
collection,
maintenance and
access to data; it’s
also about
safeguards, etc -
using the EWG work.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span>So
thanks Rob. It’s a
bit premature to
rule issues out when
they are well and
truly on our table.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span>Holly</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
6 Oct 2016, at
6:37 am, Rod
Rasmussen <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rrasmussen@infoblox.com');" target="_blank">rrasmussen@infoblox.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Folks,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gotta
chime in here,
since the EWG
provided a lot
of thinking on
this issue. If
you haven’t
already,
please review
the EWG report
sections on
data accuracy
and also the
concept of
data
validators and
their
relationship
to the RDS.
For example, I
would note
that a
well-provisioned
RDS would be
able to
provide some
sort of
validation
checks against
existing data
in the use
case of trying
to prevent
impersonation
(a form of
accuracy) of
an existing
registrant (a
big brand like
Facebook for
instance).
Another
concept we
found very
important in
the EWG is the
idea of
creating a
contact data
set tied to a
contact ID
that is
portable
between
registrars and
registries.
This provides
for the
purpose-based
contacts we
talk about at
great length
in the
report. It
also is key
for addressing
some of the
fundamental
operational
issues that
lead to
inaccurate,
out-of-date
data at
various
registrars.
If you have a
change in your
contact
information (a
new e-mail for
instance) and
hold multiple
roles in
conjunction
with many
domains, you
have a real
challenge
making updates
throughout the
universe of
your domain
names. Using
a data
validator and
then acting
via the RDS,
when you make
a change to
your contact
info, that
automatically
can be
reflected in
all domains
you are
associated
with and thus
improve
accuracy
tremendously.
Those are just
a couple
examples of
how an RDS can
be involved in
dealing with
accuracy
issues and
represent many
of the
concepts you
can address
once you look
beyond the
current
paradigm of
registrar
controlled
contact
information
anchored
specifically
to individual
domain names.
Accuracy in
the “generic”
system
(including
registries,
registrars,
RDS,
validators,
some other
group we
haven’t
thought of
yet) is
definitely
in-scope. How
that is done
can take many
forms and
could have
different
roles played
by different
participants
in the entire
ecosystem.
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Rod<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
Oct 5, 2016,
at 10:36 AM,
<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','benny@nordreg.se');" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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But the data
accuracy can’t
be done in
RDS, the
accuracy is
done on a
registrar
level when
collecting
data.<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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RDS shall
under no
circumstances
alter any
information
received from
registry /
registrars and
showing any
different info
than what is
collected on
that level.<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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WG can look at
what accuracy
they want
registrars to
do yes, but
RDS doesn’t do
anything.<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Med
vänliga
hälsningar /
Kind Regards
/ Med vennlig
hilsen</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
Benny
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