<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>HI Dick,<br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>I think you will find that all registrars will already strive for accuracy as best they can, certainly when it comes to email address and/or phone depending on what they use to validate.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>In your point regarding reaching you by phone or email, I sort of agree, but disagree, if someone truly (and this is in respect to you as you stated yourself) wants to get hold of you, a very small bit of investigation with Google would give Ripe's number and a call to Ripe would in one way shapr or another get ahold of you. -- Edge case I know, but I was directly responding to that point.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>I suppose at some point in the future I am sure the same discussions our group is having will trickle down the IANA side of things in relation to RiR's moving over to RDS and having the same data issues we are currently discussing. :)<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__">Kind regards,<br><br>Chris</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"Richard Leaning" <rleaning@ripe.net><br><b>To: </b>"Michele Neylon" <michele@blacknight.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, 9 October, 2016 18:09:39<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div>Michele,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I don't disagree with you. There will always be scenarios where common sense prevails.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">But if you want to phone me you will need the accurate number - not something that looks like my number.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">If you want to respond to me about these comments, you will need the accurate email address not something that is sort of my email address. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">All am saying is we should strive for accuracy knowing that we may not achieve it but at least let's try. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Cheers</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Dick <br><br>Richard Leaning<div>RIPE NCC</div><div>External Relations</div><div>(Sent by iPhone)</div></div><div><br>On 9 Oct 2016, at 13:41, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Dick</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Sorry, but that’s absolutely untrue. So I agree with Greg.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">I have been getting postal mail for more than 30 years and over that period my name, my gender and my address have been listed inaccurately hundreds
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Yet the postal services in the various countries that I’ve lived in have been able to get the mail to me.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">There is a very big difference between “functional” and “accurate”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">As others have pointed out, it’s often impossible to provide 100% accurate addresses on web forms etc., Try updating your ESTA for a visit to the
US and you’ll find 9 times out of 10 that the address form doesn’t allow enough space for the hotel name and address. But if you provide the hotel name the authorities will know exactly where you are without the full address.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Our office address, for example, lists us as being in Carlow. If you actually looked at a map you’d see that we aren’t in Carlow, but in Laois.
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<b>Date: </b>Friday 7 October 2016 at 19:20<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose</span></p>
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