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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on Tuesday, 11 October 2016 at 16:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 15.6pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><b>MP3:</b> </span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-11oct16-en.mp3
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Michelle DeSmyter: Dear All, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Tuesday, 11 October 2016 at 16:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Michelle DeSmyter: Agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/JRa4Aw<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Michelle DeSmyter: Member page: https://community.icann.org/x/I4xlAw<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): Hello All<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Daniel K. Nanghaka: Hello Maxim
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: Howdy all<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Chuck Gomes: Hi all.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Daniel K. Nanghaka: Hi <o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marina Lewis: Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marina Lewis: I can help...<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: @Marina, thanks for volunteering<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marina Lewis: :)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Elaine PRuis: good morning<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: I don't feel strongly about that, note -- it was just a suggestion to try to unstick us.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Elaine PRuis: I brought this up a few weeks ago--not every TLD has the same lifecycle.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): +1, @Elaine, for example some<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>do not have AGP<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Elaine PRuis: I'm hestiant to refer to the ICANN diagram of lifecycle as many TLDS don't follow that lifecycle, and specific timelines indicated<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Elaine PRuis: keep losing connectivity<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: But the point Jim just made on the phone is that you don't need to have _one_ lifecycle<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: the point is that every domain necessarily has some registration lifecycle under it<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: and the RDS tells you about it<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): ALP did not work , (one of GEOs tried that - it took around year to explain things to ICANN)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: I could support that mod<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Jim Galvin (Afilias): SAC054 is the reference for discussion of life cycle that recognizes that not all TLDs are the same.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: @Jim thanks for doc ref<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">steve metalitz: @Chuck, why does your proposal omit information about registrants?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): it is in IANA
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: What Maxim said<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: whois -h whois.iana.org com<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: for instance<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: RDS currently = Registration Directory Service, not Registration Data Service. Is that change in acronym intentional here?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: sounds keep dropping<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: I disagree with Greg also.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>One version of managing access is to allow anyone to query anything<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: it's a completely open management policy<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Rod Rasmussen: Or a "No" management policy. ;-)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: none<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: But there is management of information<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: for instance, there are things in the registry that don't appear in the whois today<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: that's managing the info<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: (I certainly won't die on this hill, however)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): @andrew, some of registry info (such as IDs of persons) should not be uploaded<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Rod Rasmussen: @Andrew - of course - did you see the smiley at the end of my smart-ass comment?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): or at least should not be accessible
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Jim Galvin (Afilias): What are the other choices in summary?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: i prefer "provoide information"<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Rod Rasmussen: Provide information works better for me.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: "manage access to information" v "provide information about"<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: In my view "Provide information" is a more generic reference<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: I will merely point out that "one big database" is the system the DNS replaced<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: because it didn't scale properly<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: (That's an aside.)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: @Alan: RDS is to provide information. How we provide it is a bout management
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marika Konings 2: yes, correct, has been added<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marika Konings 2: that is not possible with live editing<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marika Konings 2: sorry about that<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Alan Greenberg: @Carlton, perhaps, but saying purpose is SOLELY to provide without the caveat may set incorrect expectations.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Alan Greenberg: TO be specific, management is not a purpose, but providing information "according to some defined rule-set" is. I find that wording awkward thought.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Alan Greenberg: though<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: @Alan:...which is now being discussed in #3<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: ...so RDS provide information..........for specific polciy defined purposes.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>The 'specific policy defined purposes' connect use with rule set<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: Possible text: "Provide information about <list>, based on an agreed rule set."<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Stephanie Perrin: test<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: @Stephanie we see you<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Stephanie Perrin: wonderful!<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: agreed rule set should be "policy"<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: @Greg +1<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: @Greg: Yes<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Daniel K. Nanghaka: I agree with you @Greg
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Daniel K. Nanghaka: Rules are policies<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">steve metalitz: Presumably the rule set could include a default rule. What to do if not covered by a rule.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: why agreed policy?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: apologies for joining laate<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: policy is just policy...
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: @Steve: Yes, a catchall we'd call that<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Stephanie Perrin: and applicable law<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">steve metalitz: Could use on #3 same phrasing as in #2 re "agreed policy."<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: we should remove "for specific policy defined peruposes" per Marc Anderson's comment<o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: Why is it we want registries striked out?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: @Stephanie: Yes, a very important sub-clause<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: My calendar reminds me that I have a conflict in :10<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: so I will have to drop early<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">steve metalitz: You're identifying registrants, registrars, etc.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: "identify and facilitate contact with" refers to the list of entities that follow<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: And if these data are to be used for historical reasons then a gTLD can change to another Registry
<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: might not be important<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: Possible alt text: "A purpose of the RDS is to identify domain contacts, and facilitate contact with them.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: could say identifiy domain contact and faciliate communication w/them<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: It seems that policy will determine the list of contacts
<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: possible contacts currently include registrar, registrant, admin, tech, and abuse (for WHOIS today)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: but policy will determine future contacts that may be provided via RDS<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Beth Allegretti: Aren't all of those "contacts"?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>It seems redundant.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: we don't need to enumerate them here -- we probably don;t need<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>to.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Beth Allegretti: +1 Lisa<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: you need to say both.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>If you give mejust a name you ahve identified the contact, but are not facilitating contact with them.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: +1 with Andrew<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">steve metalitz: +1 t o Vicky's suggestion re "facilitate communication" instead of "facilitate contact"
<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: Alas I have to drop
<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">andrew sullivan: bye all<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: "facilitate communication" is a good construction<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: 4 seems re-dundant with #2<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marika Konings 2: someone called 'Stephanie Perrin' is in Adobe Connect though -an impersonator? ;-)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: @Marc, are you proposing deleting #4?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: @Alan: +1<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: @Lisa yes, we seem to be having the same discussion we had on #2<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">steve metalitz: Can you show us #2 again?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: it might help if we can see both on the screen<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: thank you<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: Exacly not public available<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: are the difference<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: agree that "may not be otherwise publicly available' adds no value for the statement of purpose
<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: agree, it's true, but doesn't add value for the statement of purpose<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Alan Greenberg: list is an example, so we should use wording such as "for example" or "but may not be limited to"<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: @metalitz +1<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: @Steve, you are not proposing deleting all of that information, but rather adding "domain contacts" to #2?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">steve metalitz: @ Lisa, correct, or substitute "domain contacts" for "registrants"
<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marc Anderson: the word accurate could be added to either purpose if the decision is that it should be included in the purpose statement.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marika Konings 2: @Steve - note that in #3 we deleted registrars, P/P providers and replaced those with domain contacts. Agree that we do need some consistency - does domain contacts cover broader range than
registrants or not?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: @Marika, #2 is information provided, which includes but is not limited to contacts<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: (that is, name servers etc are information about the domain itself, not contacts)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marika Konings 2: right, but in the other one we grouped registrars and P/P providers as part of domain contacts<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: SSAC 055:RecommendationThe SSAC recommends that the Registration Data Policy Committee’s charter shouldinclude the requirement to define “accurate registration data” and provide guidance as tohow
to achieve it.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: a big part of building trust in an authoritative database is having some comfort that the data is accurate. in light of this, part of the purpose of the RDS should be to have accuracy to build
such trust<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Stephanie Perrin: test<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Kal Feher: I think accuracy is a purpose of the way data is collected. it is also a purpose of the transmission mechanism used by RDS (RDAP, port 43 or whatever we choose). but accuracy is not a purpose of
the RDS itself.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: No, and RDS is not a technical system only.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>Ita is also the enveloping policies.<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: dissagree with jim<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marina Lewis: All, I need to jump off for a 10:30 meeting.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>Bye!<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: Is the purpose to provide an authoritative source of accurate data?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Lisa Phifer: (sorry A purpose...)<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Greg Aaron: yes<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: can remove only if concept covered elsese<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: elsewhere<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): should we reffer to it as historically accurate :)?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): or with potentially accurate
<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: @lisa - like the concept.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>consistent with my previous point <o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB: authoritative by who?<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Vicky Sheckler: @alan - having a purpose of having accurate data is not the same as certifying accuracy<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Alan Greenberg: I guess...<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Susan Kawaguchi: agree with Steve<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Sara Bockey: I need to drop for another meeting.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>Thank you all<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Carlton Samuels: Gotta go. Bye all<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): bye all, need to drop<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Kal Feher: yay for alt time<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Marika Konings 2: yes, you can Stephanie<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Michelle DeSmyter: of course<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Nathalie Coupet: Bye all<o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></o:p></p>
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