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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear All, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Wednesday, 19 October 2016 at 05:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Meeting page:<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/eBy4Aw">https://community.icann.org/x/eBy4Aw</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:Morning everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:test</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:test2</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:anything before 9am is undesirable</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:reading you!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:I feel like I've been on ICANN calls all day. started at 6am for me and ending the day with a 10 pm RDS call! </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Much appreciated Alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:sorry I am late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Susan!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:sorry, just needed to make sure to save the updated version :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:perhaps it should say "based on concensus policies". </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:"agreed policy" is an odd term. Is there another kind of policy?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> lawrence olawale-roberts 2:this looks okay to me</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Anderson:I tend to agree greg... I thought it would be sufficent to just say policy (rather than agreed policy). Policy is either policy or it isn't.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:the first purpose also used the word "providing"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:...i think</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:I don't object to keeping it in, but as we did for the previous purpose i think less may be more here. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:registries can also add data to RDS via their own policies.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:these would be added via RSEP. but their reason for existing would be a policy specific to one TLD</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:During last week's call, there was a decision taken to not try to enumerate all of the information, or all of the types of contacts in the next item, but rather to acknowledge that policy will further
detail this.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Thanks, Kal. That would be beyond "consensus policy."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):temporary policy adopted by the board - mentioned in the Registry Agreement </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:manage??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:apologies that I joined late. I did have some trouble with the Connect application (and let me again register my deep complaint about this technology), but my tardiness is my own fault.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome Andrew, please raise the AC issues to us: <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> so we can provide assistance</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Andrew the plugin / app gets confused with the new hostname </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:i refer to managing the data itself.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@Nathatlie: This wasn't a technical issue. The complaint can't be solved by staff. It's a policy problem. This all should be WebRTC in the interests of open standards and so on. But I have no
strict techsupport issue. Thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Not to using the data to manage domain names, etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:test 7</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:test received</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:I think the idea of using a catch all term at this stage would be to avoid having to detail it now, but it may get further defined at a later stage through the policy requirements. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:as Chuck said :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:The text that was replaced by "domain contacts" included "registries, registrars" - the concern is that "domain contacts" can be misunderstood to be just admin and tech contact</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Andrew, could you repeat your suggestion in the chat?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I think what I'm suggesting is "contacts related to the domain name, including those directly related to the domain name and also those involved in the registration sytem as rellevant"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:or something like that</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):"All possible" seems to be bit broad , for example typical company has lots of contacts releavnt to the domain name </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:@maxim these are contacts within the Registry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the list of Registry contacts in GDD portal is more than 16, and most of those should not leak , and used for intaraction with ICANN</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*interaction</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):for example - billing contact of Registry is not for Registrars or Registrants</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):law is still in power , despite what is invented in GNSO </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I don't understand why recommending that applicable law be applied helps us. It's impossible to develop a policy that ignores applicable local law</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@andrew, some of current WHOIS set of policies there is a conflict with local law</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):for some of jurisdictions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Or rather, it's impossible to develop a policy that insists a policy imposes a rule extra-legally</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Andrew - you' think so</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:but unfortunately ICANN has done so repeatedly</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 Michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Cake:Andrew, just how far ICANN can go in its efforts to ignore local law is the subject of an ICANN policy, about which there is some current debate, you see</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:*some*? :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):most</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):also for Registries there are no procedure currently to deal with non-WHOIS conflicts with law (will RDS fall here :)?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I believe the latest ICANN bylaws restrict it from imposing anything like rules that are extra-legal in local jurisdictions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):formally ICANN can violate their own bylaws</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):at least nothing happened in the past </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@Maxim no, not any more</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):hope so</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:test8</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:test9</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@stephanie: got it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:8 and 9</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Cake:I would be happier without it. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:The goals Greg is asking about were deleted</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:as Lisa noted these were deleted, but with the understanding that these did underpin the statement of purpose (but it was felt that these didn't belong in the statement of purpose)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Registry Agreement is California law, and for Registries outside of US it makes conflicts with local law </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:See Goals for each Purpose, (iii) To provide a framework that enables compliance with applicable laws</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:That text did remain - it was the Overall Goal that was deleted</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:It seems like a preamble remark to me</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Oh, good point</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I misunderstood that bit</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Got it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:still there, I agree</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:sound gone?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:no sound here...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I hear nothing,</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:I hear nothing either</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:me neither</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:I am not hearing anything </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:That I heard.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:I hear Marika :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:Folks - I have to leave this call now - I have a teaching commitment. Apologies</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Thanks Holly</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Item 1 begins "A purpose of gTLD registration data" while Items 2/3 begin "A purpose of RDS" - which is Item 4 in reference to?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> lawrence olawale-roberts 2: audio off on my end</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> lawrence olawale-roberts 2:okay now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Marc, yes that text was deleted from Item 2</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Anderson:thank you Lisa</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> lawrence olawale-roberts 2:Could we substitute the word Provide in red with "maintain"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> lawrence olawale-roberts 2:sorry Manage i meant not maintain.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:"A purpose of gTLD registration data" is also used in Item 1, so it would be consistent to use that same phrasing in Item 4.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I'm having trouble with un-handinf. Sorry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:un-handing</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:even</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the string might be not registered , but not available (reserved)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:using whois to check availability = terrible idea</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:it's really unreliable + there are rate limits</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:record of "all" domain name registrations?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:"To provide a record of whether a domain name is registered, available for registration, ot unavailable for registration"?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:What do you suggest as an alternative, Michele?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:whois can't truly be used to tell you that a domain is available. that is not a purpose of whois currently</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Anderson:I like Andrew's suggestion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - we use EPP or other simpler services just to check if a domain is available or not</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:No no no</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:it can be reserved </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:agree with Benny</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):no EPP for non-Registrars :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - a domain can be reserved / blocked or somehow blocked or something and not all are listed as such in whois</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Maxim - not directly no, but they can check via a registrar's site</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:but its not black and white</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:DAC works pretty well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:with new TLDs whois probably won't tel you if a domain is set at some crazy premium price either :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:I prefer the purpose as edited in the doc. Andrews suggestion seems more narrow/restrictive than necessary. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Michele, it might not be possible to check it via EPP, until the Registry implements epp price check</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:we typically respond with no data found for non registered labels. that includes reserved names which will never be registered</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Maxim - I know - we have to load some strings into a black list </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:Yes - agree with stephanie that we should remove thte stuff after the comma. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:support removing everything after the comma</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:It seems the RDS can provide records for domain names that are registered, but not necessarily say anything about domain names that are not registered</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:availability should not be a purpose. it is the purpose of other services.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:that is not whois</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Reserved names are reserved by the Registry according to policies of the TLD (including enforced by ICANN)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:godaddy uses EPP for that greg</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:and zonefiles and other technologies</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we respond with can not be registered, and accredited registrars have access to the reserved lists</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:just because a string isn't in whois doesn't mean anything</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we add "for registration" after "is available" ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:It means it's not registered by someone else.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:It's reliable enough for the purpose of a potential registrant seeing if the domain desired is already owned by someone else.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:What Michele descripes are only available for registrars... most people check other ways</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 Michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:benny - our websites "hide" those details though</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Benny, it is not possible to understand if the string is reserved without Registrar</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:+1 - record of registration = correct</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I think "available" means one thing to registrars and another to potential registrants.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:typically the tools used by consumers will be using EPP and zone file access to return availability. EPP is the most reliable. no capable provider will use whois to deliver an availability service to internet
users</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:+1 Kal</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if Registry does not add "can not be registered"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:@Maxim I agree</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Kal, can you give me an example of such a tool?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:but if RDS are to replace whois we need to look out of the narrow registrar scope</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:Goddady's availability tool. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:or blacknight's</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Kel it works only for TLDs where those Registrars are accredited ... no EPP for non contracted Registrars usually</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:you have to remember that the people offering whois, generally know it's weaknesses. when they offer an availability service, it might sit next to their whois service, but underneath it will use EPP</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I agree with Greg mostly. Why I suggested the words I did</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:have to leave no have fun</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:checking a domain on the godaddy website (or anyone else's) isn't using whois</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Andrew, can you recap your suggested wording for 4 please?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):of historical data?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Are you saying that when I go to GoDaddy's Whois page, I'm not using Whois??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - if you do a domain search on their site you're not using whois</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):data is a snapshot of was true (hopefully) at the moment of the last change</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:To provide a record of whether a domain name is registered, available for registration, ot unavailable for registration</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:if you go to their whois server you are</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:two different things</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:@maxim, currently historical data is out of scope, so you are suggesting an expansion of the current use</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blacknight.com_search_&d=DQICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=owKP4ESGHywNvS7Z4Fw9MRAM6UuI-RT9o6r7Z2-d7y0&s=t48odjOnRYWXPQiyRccbt2Kckg6Ig3NZZ0fl1cSwH_Q&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blacknight.com_search_&d=DQICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=owKP4ESGHywNvS7Z4Fw9MRAM6UuI-RT9o6r7Z2-d7y0&s=t48odjOnRYWXPQiyRccbt2Kckg6Ig3NZZ0fl1cSwH_Q&e=</a>
- check if a domain is available</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Kal, the data does not change in real time, thus it is old and at some moment of time it might differ from real </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__whois.blacknight.com_&d=DQICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=owKP4ESGHywNvS7Z4Fw9MRAM6UuI-RT9o6r7Z2-d7y0&s=7I8aK0d7wiWKW30xaqOLwSlzEDsJnxISPyv0fp_Ku6Q&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__whois.blacknight.com_&d=DQICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=owKP4ESGHywNvS7Z4Fw9MRAM6UuI-RT9o6r7Z2-d7y0&s=7I8aK0d7wiWKW30xaqOLwSlzEDsJnxISPyv0fp_Ku6Q&e=</a> do
a whois lookup</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@Lise: did you see it? "To provide a record of whether a domain name is registered, available for registration, ot unavailable for registration"?"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:two totally different things</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:it definately changes in real time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Got it, Michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Andrew, yes, I have added to notes for further consideration</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Kal, when registrant changes his mobile number, it is not reflected on full auto</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I am completely opposed to adding 5</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:real time relative to the registry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Kal, it relevant only to the moment of update, which is always in the past </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):We have not decided that it is a single database - it is for later deliberations</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - the list of attorneys doesn't get updated as quickly as domains get registered and changed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:ok. I see where you are going, but I don't think that is a relevant clarification. historical data implies data that is older than what currently sits in the registry. there are whowas services that provide
that.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:don't support retaining point 5. agree with Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):is is reflection of the registration data, not the source</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I don't see where throughput ultimately affects accuracy. Clearly we need to have practical approaches.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the source of the registration data is the contract with registrant</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - you're ignoring the technical realities</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:there can often be a lag between what someone has entered on our end and what is reflected elsewhere</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and actions under such a contract (even click through one)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:be that a DNS server change or a contact update</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:@maxim I understand your point but I think you are perhaps on too fine a linguistic tangent that is going to to more to mislead than enable our discussions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I want to work within the technical realities and achieve a practical level of accuracy. I'm not a perfectionist....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - oh come on :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Note that this WG's charter asks us to consider whether any accuracy improvements are required - this is explicitly in scope, although the WG can recommend no changes are required</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - if you want to sit down in India I can show you where the delays / issues can crop up</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:EPP servers exploding</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Lags are completely understandable and not the issue when it comes to seeking "accuracy."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:boo for regular time. this time is perfect. :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Michele, happy to do so if it involves beer.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:right more coffee time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Greg - it always involves beer or coffee :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:ciao</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye</div>
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