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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think this is a very
useful suggestion. I think one of the problems with the EWG
report is that it was so complex (yes, yes, representing a ton
of hard work) that it was not clear exactly what we meant
should be available to all. It is not the case that all
parties wanted only the thin data you describe though, as Lisa
has just elaborated.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I know I am going to
be annoyingly repetitive, but understanding the EWG report
requires the annotated edition....which is not currently available.
There are plenty of "but what about this" that need to be
interjected whenever we pull isolated statements from that
report. However, we soldier on....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-12-07 09:55, Greg Aaron wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking of key concepts… people often say
“registration data” when they really mean “contact data.”
Being plain and specific here can help discussion in our
group. The concept will come up in next week’s discussion.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are basically two kinds of
“registration data”. The first is called the<b> THIN DATA</b>.
This is the basic data about a domain name registration: the
domain name, the sponsoring registrar name and ID, the
domain’s status(es) , created-updated-expiration dates, and
nameservers. (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://whois.icann.org/en/what-are-thick-and-thin-entries">https://whois.icann.org/en/what-are-thick-and-thin-entries</a>
) This data is factual, accurate, is not personally
identifiable, and I think is completely noncontroversial. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The second kind of registration data is <b>CONTACT
DATA</b> – contact names, postal and email addresses, phone
numbers. Contact data raises issues of privacy and data
protection. Contact data can be (and regularly is)
inaccurate because it’s ultimately supplied by the
registrants. When people talk about “registration data
accuracy” and “registration data validation” they are really
talking about the accuracy of
<b>CONTACT DATA</b>, not all “registration data.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the coming discussions, one approach
could be: There are good reasons to publish the thin data … is
there any compelling reason
<i>not</i> to publish it? If we can take care of this
low-hanging fruit, we will solve part of the puzzle and we can
concentrate on the issues around contact data. This is not a
proposal to publish thin data only. It’s an attempt to
disentangle concepts and find a way forward. Not all data is
the same, so let’s stop treating all data the same. We may
not have to iterate repeatedly about thin data.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Even the EWG’s language wasn’t always clear
and specific in this area. Here’s the question we will begin
with next week:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Should gTLD registration data be
accessible for any purpose or only for specific purposes?<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>“The EWG unanimously recommends
abandoning today’s WHOIS model of giving every user the same
entirely anonymous public access to (often inaccurate) gTLD
registration data. Instead, the EWG recommends a paradigm
shift to a next-generation RDS that collects, validates and
discloses gTLD registration data for permissible purposes
only.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>While basic data would remain publicly
available, the rest would be accessible only to accredited
requestors who identify themselves, state their purpose, and
agree to be held accountable for appropriate use.”<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What the EWG really meant was: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Give public, anonymous
access to the THIN data. (“Basic data” as the EWG called
it.) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Don’t give every user
the same anonymous public access to (“often inaccurate”) gTLD
CONTACT DATA.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Shift to an RDS that
collects, validates and discloses gTLD CONTACT DATA for
permissible purposes only. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">All best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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