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easier to respond to the poll that will be sent out this week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathalie Peregrine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working
group call held on Wednesday, 21 December 2016 at 06:00 UTC.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Nathalie Peregrine:Meeting page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_i6TDAw&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=N3bnRtN9WnHh0itusNQju0YLysaYdVOEVJxEpgYnaeo&s=nZ62H1uiSMyRgeIgK05vI3trDIqh3vqsOK9XcgK44Jw&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_i6TDAw&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=N3bnRtN9WnHh0itusNQju0YLysaYdVOEVJxEpgYnaeo&s=nZ62H1uiSMyRgeIgK05vI3trDIqh3vqsOK9XcgK44Jw&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:Hi, Chuck. "e" was suggested by Greg Aaron, not Greg Shatan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:Yes, I wrote that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:For those of us who did not fill out the poll, can you make the questions accessible so we can input our responses? I tried but once the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:A PDF version of the poll is posted at the last meeting page - but as Chuck notes, the question and options for response are shown on the screen
now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:thanks Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:PDF link <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_63151075_Poll-2Don-2DPurpose-2Dfrom-2D13DecCall.pdf&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=N3bnRtN9WnHh0itusNQju0YLysaYdVOEVJxEpgYnaeo&s=yIm8SdJ1IDCSPah_6kcvXeNF8kZZRX-0OAdyEb0I56g&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_63151075_Poll-2Don-2DPurpose-2Dfrom-2D13DecCall.pdf&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=N3bnRtN9WnHh0itusNQju0YLysaYdVOEVJxEpgYnaeo&s=yIm8SdJ1IDCSPah_6kcvXeNF8kZZRX-0OAdyEb0I56g&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):as I understand 9% is 2 persons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:Maxim yes, just 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):one of the issues - the data is protected only until the first person with "bad ideas" accesses it and shares between such persons ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):tracking would require adding random seeds and it is not possible - info should be the same for the particular domain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Can someone please remind me of precisely which data elements we are speaking here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I am not sure we can prevent sharing data after it was taken from the system<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:are we requiring the user/collector of the data to identify/authenticate themselves<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:I think we are only talking about the thin WHOIS output <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:@Stephanie: See the top of the document displayed in the window - definition of thin data given by the Thick WHOIS Report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:so just enough data to identify the registrar, the status of the registration, and the creation and expiration dates of each registration. (I
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:"A thin registry only stores and manages the information associated with the domain name. This set includes data sufficient to identify the sponsoring
registrar, status of the registration, creation and expiration dates for each registration, name server data, the last time the record was updated in its Whois data store, and the URL for the registrar’s Whois service."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Greg, we can dial out to you if you prefer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele Neylon:Ayden - it's useful data for technical stuff at one level<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele Neylon:but that's about it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:Let me try now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele Neylon:well it's logged anyway <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:I think some thin data elements (i.e. nameservers) should be available anonymously, but not all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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name or the expiration data of a domain name should be available to anyone for any reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele Neylon:Ayden - oh come on - the registry for .com is always going to be Verisign :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:You have to do that anyway.....create privacy policies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:Sorry, I didn’t catch the name of who was just speaking before Lisa, but the sentiments they shared were mine… I would not want there to be
records of every website I visit... so I would not support some kind of authentication model which recorded, say, every time someone went to a website, which name servers were retrieved, etc… the ability to use the Internet anonymously or pseudonymously is
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information?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:@Ayden there are several reasons but for one it is a secure way for the registrant to controll that the registry has renewed
the domain, without to have to go to the reseller ogf the reseller of the reseller of the registrar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele Neylon:well you can't spam based on thin data :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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means (until we allow computers to make legal decisions )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele Neylon:+1 Chuck - the audio went a bit odd towards the end<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:Hi, Lisa. A, C, and E share some similarities. But A uses "accessible" in a way that requires a gating and determination of hte users intent,
and therefore access control. IN contrast, C and E do not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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it would apply to both options. (That wasn't our intent, but trying to sort out what people assumed when choosing those options)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:Lisa: "A contains an "except>"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:@greg, what phrasing made you think access control was implied - just "except" or also "expressly permitted" in (b)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Shane, great explanation. And let me be clear, I am not looking for an authenticated-only Internet.....I am just wondering where
the line needs to be drawn and the relative costs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:"A" says the data should be "accessible for any purposes EXCEPT for illegitimate purposes". Anotehr way of saying that is that it should NOT be
accessible for illegitimate puposes. So that means you must prohibit illegitimatu purposes. And that means you are keeping people out, and are ensuring that only legit users with good intetnt are getting the data. Thus, you are gating the data, and allowing
only certain usres to see it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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of examples where this is happening already<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Shane Kerr:@Lisa - spoken like a product owner! ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:Correct, Michele, but there's als oa contractual line through the reseller to the registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:we have an optioanl Reseller field for those registrar swho wish to avail themselves of it. Many choose not to. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:we being the registration community, to be more precise. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I wonder how the persons (who forgot to whom they paid few years ago for a domain) will use those numbers for paying again?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we suggest paying all registrars just to be sure that they do not miss it :) ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:Collection here refers to being required by policy to populate an RDS/WHOIS record with values for that element<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):example of a good purpose : word good in the purpose form ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:@Shane, the domain name identifies the record, regardless of purpose, thus "all"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Shane Kerr:Sure, I get it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Shane Kerr:Ah, okay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:the data element purposes came from use cases - but the use cases were not comprehensive so there are probably additional purposes not listed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Shane Kerr:Ah, I see the chart in the report. It's more comprehensive. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:the lsited are not just any old purposes. They are legitimate purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Shane Kerr:Certainly a registrar has more information than a registry, even in the "thick registry" case? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Shane Kerr:Knowing the registrar is always (potentially) useful....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Rod Rasmussen:@Greg Aaron - look at the private chat question I sent you (non ICANN related!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:I think we could poll on points of agreement to confirm them (and allow for those not on call to weigh in)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:happy holidazzzzzzz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Happy Holidays!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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